cerebus wrote:
Considering the proven value of standing meditation, surprisingly few people undertake the practice today. Why is this? As Wang himself noted, the exercise is plagued by logical contradictions. Understandably, but unfortunately, martial artists reject the exercise because it cannot possibly work."[/i]
cerebus wrote:My question is, how effective IS zhan zhuang for fight training? I have a former instructor Hsing-I & Bagua who had told me that the best he had ever done in full-contact matches was when he concentrated almost solely on zhan zhuang (specifically 4 posts and San Ti) for a couple of months prior to fighting.
cerebus wrote:So, if a person is already fairly well trained in fighting (in this instance I'm referring to fighting in a competetive match), how well can almost exclusive training in zhan zhuang prepare him (or her) for their fight?
Sprint wrote:cerebus wrote:
It can't work miracles. It will help you see things faster and move faster. You will move with better balance and spend less time adjusting your balance during the fight. You will see/feel more clearly the physical giveaways that emanate from your opponent as he/she prepares to attack. They will move first but you will arrive before them...But this takes time and effort. Over a couple of months I'd be surprsied if you saw any benefit, unless you knew exactly what you were doing and were puting in at least 4 hours per day. This is just a tiny fraction though of the potential of zhan zhuang. When you link this practice to shili, mocabu etc then the real benefits will show up.
cerebus wrote:Hey everyone. I've been experimenting with various training methodologies lately, and especially been getting further into Zhan Zhuang practice. I read an article recently that had me thinking. This is the beginning of the article:
"In 1939, Wang Xiangzhai issued a public challenge through a Beijing newspaper. His objective: to test and prove the new martial arts training system of Yiquan, a system that placed standing meditation (zhan zhuang) at its core.
Expert fighters from across China, Japan and even Europe traveled to answer Wang’s challenge. None could beat him or his senior students. His standing meditation training produced superior results in a shorter time period, when compared to methods used in boxing, Judo, and other styles of Kung Fu.
Considering the proven value of standing meditation, surprisingly few people undertake the practice today. Why is this? As Wang himself noted, the exercise is plagued by logical contradictions. Understandably, but unfortunately, martial artists reject the exercise because it cannot possibly work."
My question is, how effective IS zhan zhuang for fight training? I have a former instructor Hsing-I & Bagua who had told me that the best he had ever done in full-contact matches was when he concentrated almost solely on zhan zhuang (specifically 4 posts and San Ti) for a couple of months prior to fighting.
So, if a person is already fairly well trained in fighting (in this instance I'm referring to fighting in a competetive match), how well can almost exclusive training in zhan zhuang prepare him (or her) for their fight?
The results they got were results of practicing whole training system, including all training methods, not just doing zhan zhuang. It included zhan zhuang, moving slowly and fast, pushing hands, fighting training, and also punchbag training, running, pole shaking and more. Whole system.
Strange wrote:WXZ in his later years called himself Old Man of Contradiction; i think maybe a part of his meaning is that the practitioners of yq need to be able embody opposing and contradicting forces
It can't work miracles. It will help you see things faster and move faster. You will move with better balance and spend less time adjusting your balance during the fight. You will see/feel more clearly the physical giveaways that emanate from your opponent as he/she prepares to attack. They will move first but you will arrive before them...But this takes time and effort. Over a couple of months I'd be surprsied if you saw any benefit, unless you knew exactly what you were doing and were puting in at least 4 hours per day. This is just a tiny fraction though of the potential of zhan zhuang. When you link this practice to shili, mocabu etc then the real benefits will show up.
jjy5016 wrote:Strange wrote:WXZ in his later years called himself Old Man of Contradiction; i think maybe a part of his meaning is that the practitioners of yq need to be able embody opposing and contradicting forces
Edzachary.
Zhan zhuang is all about learning contradictory force. Zheng li ( zhong lik) Zheng li also means all force equal from the center. Both apply to basic zhan zhuang. Won't teach one to fight. Just give some substance to use in the fight.
There are other types of zhuangs that are more yi intense and do not use contradictory forces, well physical ones anyway.
Chris McKinley wrote:As I've mentioned previously on this topic, I augment my zhan zhuang training with self-hypnosis, a variation on lucid dreaming, diagnostic metaphor, time perception dilation and a few other practices. For me, the difference this practice has made over the years is profound.
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