DeusTrismegistus wrote: Since Ma Jiangbai is himself moving little his body has little kenetic energy from motion. The amount fo power displayed cannot be explained by purely analyzing Ma's mass and velocity in relation to his opponent, his center may move an inch or two while he projects the other guy 3 ft.
klonk wrote:Good! I have long thought, though, that the simplest way to borrow force is to strike into your opponent's advance, would you agree? So that the vectors butt head-on.
DeusTrismegistus wrote:With this theoretical light touch strike, what speed are we talking about at delivery? Do we mean simply lightly touching while barely moving or moving quickly but striking lightly?
In this video Ma Jiangbao pushes this guy around a lot, causing large displacements, with little motion. His mass is not moving much, yet he is producing a lot of power.
Since Ma Jiangbai is himself moving little his body has little kenetic energy from motion. The amount fo power displayed cannot be explained by purely analyzing Ma's mass and velocity in relation to his opponent, his center may move an inch or two while he projects the other guy 3 ft.
Ba-men wrote:this demo .
ppscat wrote:Your whole frame should move at your opponent's speed. If fully connected at same speed & aceleration, both bodies becomes one single cohesive unit (the idea of Taiji), and so any changed induced on it has the double the mass to produce force F= a (m1 + m2).
Easy to say, many decades to master it...
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DeusTrismegistus wrote:With this theoretical light touch strike, what speed are we talking about at delivery? Do we mean simply lightly touching while barely moving or moving quickly but striking lightly?
klonk wrote:DeusTrismegistus wrote:You can change the efficiency of the blow with a relaxed body frame. If we believe the hammer manufacturer I cited above, the potential increase in impact is 40%. That's not magic power but we will take it. It is all we can get, for the power will never exceed what is provided by the mass and speed we bring to the problem.
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Walk the Torque wrote:klonk wrote:DeusTrismegistus wrote:You can change the efficiency of the blow with a relaxed body frame. If we believe the hammer manufacturer I cited above, the potential increase in impact is 40%. That's not magic power but we will take it. It is all we can get, for the power will never exceed what is provided by the mass and speed we bring to the problem.
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There is also the quantity of time that the weapon or delivery system that transfers the power to be considered. If the shorter time spent in contact with the target, the greater the shocking force. But that is another story.
Walk the Torque wrote: I would also ask how much distance is being covered during this striking action. I envisage an internal strike as being that the outside of the body moves very little; but the force inside is moving very fast. Just like the barrel of a gun appears to move very little, while the bullet is moving very fast. This implies that the strike can be done from a short distance; and even though Ian (in the original thread) explicitly stated that he was not asking about "short power", maybe the better we get at short power it turns into a sort of "impulse" that is on a more subtle level. If we were talking about just moving quickly and striking with a light touch, I think it could be learnt more easily.
Ba-men wrote:And this demo ..... IS Pure CRAP! nothing but a young dude paying homage to a respected master up in his advanced age! Nothing more....nothing less! I probably would have done the same if placed in a similar situation. In a real fight the guy probably would have hammered Ma even if he had little or no skill. Youth has its privileges! (size and strength included.......)
Ever wonder why Ma jianbao never moved backward?
EVER?
Because they guy wasn't coming at him! i.e.....Wasn't committed to trying! That's why.....
I fail to see any relevance is this demonstration or others like this.....
ppscat wrote:Walk the Torque wrote: I would also ask how much distance is being covered during this striking action. I envisage an internal strike as being that the outside of the body moves very little; but the force inside is moving very fast. Just like the barrel of a gun appears to move very little, while the bullet is moving very fast. This implies that the strike can be done from a short distance; and even though Ian (in the original thread) explicitly stated that he was not asking about "short power", maybe the better we get at short power it turns into a sort of "impulse" that is on a more subtle level. If we were talking about just moving quickly and striking with a light touch, I think it could be learnt more easily.
Hi Walk the Torque, I would focus not on the distance to strike the opponent but one step before, while charging the elastics on your frame. You can have a large elastic compression (or a series o small ones) and then a short sudden burst of force. Combine this with the ability to blend your mass with your opponent, and then you could have a great force delivery with little outward (final) movement.
Then, it should also be considered the amplification/reduction of the wave at the hips-waist. Finally, the recoiling too, as a quicker one is connected too a concentrated and deep impact like Tsi, while a longer one to a broader and more superficial like An.
Best,
Pablo
Ba-men wrote:And this demo ..... IS Pure CRAP! nothing but a young dude paying homage to a respected master up in his advanced age!
GrahamB wrote:Ba-men wrote:And this demo ..... IS Pure CRAP! nothing but a young dude paying homage to a respected master up in his advanced age!
Actually I thought that was one of the better push hands clips I've seen - you can see the young dude is really trying to "get him". I thought Ma made a good job of effortlessly dealing with him.
Remember, it's just push hands, not a fight...
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