Qigong in circle walking?

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Re: Qigong in circle walking?

Postby everything on Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:30 am



Back on topic, thanks for the book suggestion. Studies always look at at tai chi vs. walking, but they don't seem to know about this alternative that kind of combines both. Would be interesting if they added a third group to those types of studies.
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Re: Qigong in circle walking?

Postby windwalker on Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:59 am

everything wrote:


Back on topic, thanks for the book suggestion. Studies always look at at tai chi vs. walking, but they don't seem to know about this alternative that kind of combines both. Would be interesting if they added a third group to those types of studies.



I would suggest looking at physics, understanding how the body works and what conservation of energy means in relationship to this
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Re: Qigong in circle walking?

Postby richardg6 on Tue Oct 08, 2019 6:06 pm

Does anybody know why TCC has not adopted circle walking? It is easy to teach and develops leg strength, movement, weight transfer, and good structure. Excellent intro to moving meditation and mindfulness for beginners learning form.
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Re: Qigong in circle walking?

Postby Trick on Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:28 am

everything wrote:
Trick wrote:https://health.howstuffworks.com/human-body/parts/foot-same-length-as-arm-from-wrist-to-elbow.htm


LOL.

Michael Jordan's wingspan is longer than his height,

So is mine too, everyone/everything can’t be normal 8-)
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Re: Qigong in circle walking?

Postby everything on Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:10 am

richardg6 wrote:Does anybody know why TCC has not adopted circle walking? It is easy to teach and develops leg strength, movement, weight transfer, and good structure. Excellent intro to moving meditation and mindfulness for beginners learning form.


probably because there is an entire, well-developed, separate but complementary art people could do already called baguazhang, and hence people want to cross-train the "big 3". that is probably too much material for several lifetimes, but as beginners just adding some walking, why not? seems like a really good idea. people are going to be walking around anyway. if they like IMA and have limited space (like a small living room or a spot in a park), they can get started right away.
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Re: Qigong in circle walking?

Postby everything on Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:10 am

Trick wrote:
everything wrote:
Trick wrote:https://health.howstuffworks.com/human-body/parts/foot-same-length-as-arm-from-wrist-to-elbow.htm


LOL.

Michael Jordan's wingspan is longer than his height,

So is mine too, everyone/everything can’t be normal 8-)


pretty sure my t-rex arms and long torso means my wingspan is far shorter. lol
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Re: Qigong in circle walking?

Postby robert on Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:44 am

richardg6 wrote:Does anybody know why TCC has not adopted circle walking? It is easy to teach and develops leg strength, movement, weight transfer, and good structure. Excellent intro to moving meditation and mindfulness for beginners learning form.

Both taiji and xinyi/xingyi have stepping drills and they teach and develop leg strength, movement, weight transfer, and good body mechanics.
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Re: Qigong in circle walking?

Postby edededed on Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:20 pm

Maybe it would work if stepping in a taiji way. (Bagua stepping is somewhat different.)
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Re: Qigong in circle walking?

Postby oragami_itto on Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:39 pm

richardg6 wrote:Does anybody know why TCC has not adopted circle walking? It is easy to teach and develops leg strength, movement, weight transfer, and good structure. Excellent intro to moving meditation and mindfulness for beginners learning form.


The Dong style teacher I know teaches a circular "health walk" that is basically parting wild horse's mane in a circle. Not exactly the same as bagua circle walking, but still circle walking.
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Re: Qigong in circle walking?

Postby D_Glenn on Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:06 am

It’s more difficult to want to practice circle turning everyday, then doing taiji. If you don’t practice circle turning everyday then you won’t gain the benefits that it’s designed to cause. So with modern time constraints, it’s hard to do both.

Circle Turning is using constant open and hooking-in stepping along with ‘Scissor thigh stepping’ to squeeze the sacrum on the hook step, then release it on the open step. This combined with the shape of the spine being held in the Turtle Back posture can stimulate an increase of cerebrospinal fluid (csf) flowing up into your brain. Which can bring about some distinct changes in your mental state, but more importantly it helps to clear inflammation, toxins and fragmented proteins that are some of the causes of neurodegeneration. And, ideally, it will eventually start to reverse the natural age related decline of one’s mental faculties, after you get past the healing of damage already done.

In the beginning you will need to spend at least an hour a day to get your body to adapt to doing this, but over time the same thing can be condensed down to even just 30 minutes. The thing is though, that you will become aware of when it turns on, for lack of a better word, but then you also want to spend as much time as possible while continuing to Circle around in this enhanced state. This is why you only want to do a quick single movement when you have to change directions, because you don’t want to disrupt or kink off the flow by doing a form.

It helps to practice in a group where everyone is doing Circle Turning but you can’t be with other people everyday, so it really requires a lot of self discipline. If you practice seven days a week, then you can skip a day or two and get right back to where you left off. But if you only practice a few days a week then you will always be trying to climb over that first hill and constantly losing what little progress you’ve gained.


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Re: Qigong in circle walking?

Postby wiesiek on Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:00 am



I get the book, thank You for the link, jumped over briefly ,so far.
Very interesting.
This is 3rd Ding Shi style of Bagua which I starting to lick.
Between first two difference was minor, like names - Falcon instead Eagle for ex., or sequence order.
but
In the book: not only the names of the postures are quite different, more important is difference in hand/s positions (where arms are like in mentioned two styles, or quite differently), just couple is the same like Moving the Milestone in Tom`s book, which I know under the name of the Dragon.

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Kinda of flagship, that Internal Art is highly individualized... 8-)
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Re: Qigong in circle walking?

Postby wiesiek on Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:14 am

But if you only practice a few days a week then you will always be trying to climb over that first hill and constantly losing what little progress you’ve gained.

yup, Ive been there, so I got on with it this time,
Today - over 50 days with one day break.
I started to feel strong Wei Qi on the front of hands and forearms. When this feeling will cover whole body is the time to change the position, ? I suppose
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Re: Qigong in circle walking?

Postby D_Glenn on Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:13 pm

What you want, and it’s crucial for both the martial and cultivation aspect is to get 1)Fluid (sweat) Cleansing Process' (水津经 Shui Jin Jing), and 2) the 'Blood Muscle changing Process' (血筋经 Xue Jin Jing). The feeling of weiqi is not important in this practice. The goal is using intent to cause the pores to open to sweat and increased movement of blood, which washes out feelings of weiqi.
Opening up millions of blocked micro capillaries in your muscle tissue, skin, fascia, tendons etc is the goal. This will increase your body’s capacity that can be filled with weiqi and yingqi (getting rid of hollow spaces in your body so that you can fill more into it.) You do a single posture because you’re working on the tissues while it’s in place. Switching too soon in the process would be like sculpting a statue out of clay, where before you get to the fine details you would tear it down and start over.
Don’t worry about weiqi. Seek sweat and heat, red/pink color and the feelings of weight or fullness in your arms and body, from increased blood flow.
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Re: Qigong in circle walking?

Postby wiesiek on Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:37 pm

Thank You D_G.
I Will pay attention. In fact, I got impressions of "fullness" and heaviness in the hand and forearm before weiqi feeling, what happen just two day ago, for the 1st time.
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Re: Qigong in circle walking?

Postby wiesiek on Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:40 pm

) and
right now is much harder to sweet, `cause we have quite cold days recently... :)
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