"Never let your knees go over your toes... or should you?"

[marvin8]

The kind of examples I'm talking about are when the torso is perpendicular to the ground, in static postures, where there is no counter weight to the knees pushing out in front,

Here's some starting at 2:56.

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Mar 17, 2023

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB3vyMe4gj0&t=2m56s

[johnwang]

my understanding is that the knee should not go past the forward knee in bow and arrow stance due to concerns with maintenance of balance

It makes no sense to

- allow knee goes beyong toes without purpose.
- not allow knee to go beyond toes with purpose.

So the statement "Never let your knees go over your toes." is wrong.

[origami_itto]

Driving Instructor: Always keep your hands on the wheel at 10 and 2 O'clock.
John Wang: Suppose I want to tie my shoes, should I keep my hands at 10 and 2 O'clock?

[Fubo]

The kind of examples I'm talking about are when the torso is perpendicular to the ground, in static postures, where there is no counter weight to the knees pushing out in front,

If you move your knee beyond your toes and not for the following reasons:

- Perform certain task.
- balance the upper body weight (when upper body is bending back or lift up 1 leg behind).

What can be your reason for doing so?

I believe some people do it as a way to strengthen their legs, as it puts a lot more pressure on their thighs, strengthen their "kua", and as a way to lengthen their lower backs... to create what some believe to be a connection between the upper and lower body, and helps to relax the upper body.

[wayne hansen]

KOT not so much front back as left right
If a boxing coach pointed out why your stepping is done a certain way there would be little argument
The SJ clip where the attacker nearly falls on his face
No worries in a rule based contest but a little more dubious on the side of a cliff or beside a highway
Not to even worry if there are unknown allies around
Taught in the correct manner correct stepping will give countless rewards down the track
I see so much bad stepping in Hsing I in peoples quest for power
Just look how silly Hsing I stepping is if taken out of context
What fight have you seen where one opponent steps continually forward
You must understand how it fits in the training

[johnwang]

Driving Instructor: Always keep your hands on the wheel at 10 and 2 O'clock.
John Wang: Suppose I want to tie my shoes, should I keep my hands at 10 and 2 O'clock?

My normal driving holding is to have my left hand on the wheel at 12 O'clock with my right hand holding on the edge of the passinger seat. This way I can have a strong posture (brush knee twist step) to control the wheel.

I can be in 100% relaxation when I drive in this posture. Does anybody drive this way?

[origami_itto]

Driving Instructor: Always keep your hands on the wheel at 10 and 2 O'clock.
John Wang: Suppose I want to tie my shoes, should I keep my hands at 10 and 2 O'clock?

My normal driving holding is to have my left hand on the wheel at 12 O'clock with my right hand holding on the edge of the passinger seat. This way I can have a strong posture (brush knee twist step) to control the wheel.

I can be in 100% relaxation when I drive in this posture. Does anybody drive this way?

But if I hold my arms like this, how can I brush my teeth?

[johnwang]

But if I hold my arms like this, how can I brush my teeth?

This is why I don't use the word "never", or "should".

[marvin8]

Driving Instructor: Always keep your hands on the wheel at 10 and 2 O'clock.
John Wang: Suppose I want to tie my shoes, should I keep my hands at 10 and 2 O'clock?

or as a guideline,

Driving Instructor: Always keep your hands on the wheel, when approaching a curve.
johnwang: Let me think...

This is why I don't use the word "never", or "should".

What about the word "must?"

In this thread discussion...

IMO, the coordinate punch with foot landing (either front foot, or back foot) is the body coordination 101. Without it, there will be no 6 harmony:

- hand coordinate with foot,
- elbow coordinate with knee,
- shoulder coordinate with hip,
- ...

Unless we want to throw away the basic CMA building block "6 harmony", the hand and foot coordination is a must. There should be no feet stop moving but hand is still moving.

Excerpt from "Heaven Earth Human and the Six Harmonies:"

The Six Harmonies

The six harmonies refer to the coordination between the three external parts of the body and the coordination of the three internal processes that connect emotions and intentions. "Harmony" does not just mean "moving together," it also means integration and coordination of movements. It is about the coordination of the body with respect to the relationships and connections between hands and feet, knees and elbows, hips and shoulders, as well as the coordination of the mind with respect to desires, intentions, Qi and the force used, enabling the practitioner to engage and act wholeheartedly.



The three external harmonies are:

The hands harmonized with the feet.
The hips harmonized with the shoulders.
The elbows harmonized with the knees.

[origami_itto]

But if I hold my arms like this, how can I brush my teeth?

This is why I don't use the word "never", or "should".

I agree. Particularly with Taijiquan, right? I mean it's about extremes being contained within each other. As we approach the absolutes we give birth to the opposite.

[johnwang]

The hands harmonized with the feet.

The WC system has violated this guideline. The hand is moving but the foot is not.

[marvin8]

The hands harmonized with the feet.

The WC system has violated this guideline. The hand is moving but the foot is not.

Where in the six harmonies does it say, "The hand is moving but the foot is not?"

[johnwang]

Where in the six harmonies does it say, "The hand is moving but the foot is not?"

In WC form that you move your hand while your foot is not moving, you are not following the 6 harmony principle - hand coordinate with foot.

[marvin8]

Where in the six harmonies does it say, "The hand is moving but the foot is not?"

In WC form that you move your hand while your foot is not moving, you are not following the 6 harmony principle - hand coordinate with foot.

Where in the six harmonies does it say, "you move your hand while your foot is not moving, you are not following the 6 harmony principle?" Many CIMA/CMA generate power without requiring a step.

In your 6 harmony example, he moves his hands and shifts his weight from the back foot to the front foot, while his feet are not moving:

In this clip, his striking arm coordinates with his back leg.

[Appledog]

The WC system has violated this guideline. The hand is moving but the foot is not.

I took a look at the video and I do not see how the WC form shown violates six harmonies.

In fact now that you have pointed it out, it seems to conform.