everything wrote:origami_itto wrote:What is it you're trying to get? Maybe I can help you find it.
this is mostly just idle chit chat, but maximum effect from minimum dose.
the other issue we tend to overlook in these discussions is the talent input. if you ask john lennon after few to zero hours of any kind of instruction, he'll probably output a better song than you (the asker) could. if you ask me, after many hours of instruction, my song will still be absolute non-sensical garbage.
when I coached futbol to little kids, I tried to give them all the same training as much as I could. there is probably a "minimum effective dose" of certain kinds of inputs (controlling the ball) because everyone improved a lot. relative to other teams not doing this "dose", i'd say our kids improved way more due to that "dose", but the kids with incredible talent improved to an extraordinary degree (and learned on their own). they would come back after a few days and show me technique variations i never showed them and that i couldn't personally do. but we cannot really control the "god given talent" we have, so we just have to accept it.
in an art that's less well understood (and people here don't even agree on the "it" or the "what"), it seems things may have to be more variable. I think charles' anecdotes on some different timings are quite interesting. 20 min in a week doesn't seem like enough for anything. 4 hours per day might not be viable for a lot of people with other duties.
Oh that was for the other guy there who has been at it 50 years and is still searching. I do hope he finds it some day.