Taiji form training speed

[johnwang]

Here is my question to everybody.

If you throw 4 punches in 1 second, how do you breathe?

[origami_itto]

Here is my question to everybody.

If you throw 4 punches in 1 second, how do you breathe?

How long is a piece of string?

[johnwang]

Here is my question to everybody.

If you throw 4 punches in 1 second, how do you breathe?

How long is a piece of string?

[Steve James]

Here is my question to everybody.

If you throw 4 punches in 1 second, how do you breathe?

Well, I'd say once. But, at that rate, punching is more anaerobic anyway. It's like asking how many times you breathe when lifting a heavy weight for one second.

If you inhale and exhale four times in a second for ... Naw, try it.

[origami_itto]

Here is my question to everybody.

If you throw 4 punches in 1 second, how do you breathe?

How long is a piece of string?

As long as you cut it.

[wayne hansen]

The thread is called Tai Chi training spreed
As usual some are talking about Longfist some systema and some I have no idea

[origami_itto]

The thread is called Tai Chi training spreed
As usual some are talking about Longfist some systema and some I have no idea

It's called Taijiquan. It's a martial art. I could recommend a good teacher if you're interested.

[johnwang]

The thread is called Tai Chi training spreed
As usual some are talking about Longfist some systema and some I have no idea

Taiji system came from the long fist system. The long fist system is the mother of all CMA systems.

The proper way of breathing for training and combat should apply to all MA systems. We should not let any MA style to put restriction on our training and thinking.

[origami_itto]

The proper way of breathing for training and combat should apply to all MA systems. We should not let any MA style to put restriction on our training and thinking.

Which is it? Is there only one way to breathe or should we not let our style restrict our thinking and training?

[johnwang]

Which is it? Is there only one way to breathe or should we not let our style restrict our thinking and training?

You don't think about style in combat.

- If a Taiji master sees a $100 bill on the ground, will he bend down (violate his Taiji principle) in order to pick it up?
- If a Taiji master's wife asks him to hold some shopping goods, will he use brute force to carry his wife's shopping goods?

There are many ways to breath. When I do my 8 moves combo, I can exhale

- 1/8 on each and every move, or
- 1/4 on every 2 moves, or
- ...

It all depends on how much energy that I intend to spend on those individual moves.

For example, if my

- 1st move is to move my right hand to my opponent's wrist, and
- 2nd move is to move my left hand to my opponent's elbow joint,

I can use 1 1/4 exhale to do both tasks. When I do that, I'm not thinking about any MA style at all.

[origami_itto]

This is where the conversation just gets ridiculous.

I don't think I have much more to add on the topic.

[Appledog]

This is where the conversation just gets ridiculous.

I don't think I have much more to add on the topic.

Then let's add some direction! What Johnwang is espousing sounds a lot like the natural breathing method made popular in modern times by Hu Yaozhen.

[johnwang]

We start with breathing in training discussion and then move into breathing in combat discussion. When I was young, I was interested in breathing in training (that's why I trained Chang Taiji). When I get older, I'm more interested in proper breathing in combat (that's why I try to change into non-constant speed Taiji form training).

IMO, if the solo form breathing training doesn't prepare for combat breathing training (such as throw 4 punches in 1 second), something is missing there. As a teacher, I need to find a proper way for my students to develop that properly.

In this video, at 2.25 - 2.32, he throws several fast punches. He also has to deal with the breathing issue there.

[origami_itto]

First we train the breath, that creates space in the body.
Then we train the body to move the breath.

In application, breath just happens. I checked, I breathe in once in four punches.

However, you can use the breath to enhance the power of your strike consciously.

When you tie your breath to movement and power too closely it elevates your heart rate and demands a lot more energy. You want a smooth, slow, free circulation of breath, blood, and energy.

[johnwang]

In application, breath just happens. I checked, I breathe in once in four punches.

However, you can use the breath to enhance the power of your strike consciously.

So, in your 4 punches, certain punch is more committed than others. I agree with your method. That's why I use the example of "right hand to wrist and left hand to elbow" as 1 exhale because power generation is not important at that moment. I don't need too much power to control my opponent's arm.