Re: Nordic Bajiquan
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2023 1:24 pm
As with all stories I don't know the degree of accuracy but buyer beware LOL
General Li Jinglin was looking for an instructor for his division. He wanted Li Shuwen to compete for the position with the current instructor so he ordered a match to see what instructor would prevail. Well, the match began and, as you may guess, Li Shuwen killed the instructor which was not what General Li Jinglin wanted. The family of the dead instructor wanted compensation and justice for the "murder" of their family member. General Li Jinglin made some type of payment and whisked Li Shuwen off to Cangzhou, Hebei - and I think that is when Liu Yunqiao's family hired him to train their relatively well educated son. I believe that is where Li Shuwen spent his last 10 years and the story goes that someone poisoned him. General Zhang Xiangwu, a senior disciple of Li Shuwen and Liu Yunqiao, Li Shuwen's disciple set out to find the assassins but never were successful.
Again don't get too crazy over these stories - Li Shuwen supposedly had a lot of nervous energy and would often chew on chicken bones etc. However, he was associated with the warlords and the military and there were numerous factions so it should come as no surprise that potential assassins were a reasonable explanation for his paranoia. However, I don't think he ran around randomly killing people but if challenged, for him, victory was simply established by killing the opponent.
Sociopath well, lack of empathy, lack of emotional regard for opponents yeah, probably so and he was no Daoist/Buddhist calligraphy loving guy and an interesting contrast to his last student Liu Yunqiao, who was well educated and was a very skilled calligrapher.
I also do not think he was someone to be emulated.
Here is an interesting story for someone else to verify or falsify. When the Guomingdang arrived in Taiwan As with all stories I don't know the degree of accuracy but buyer beware LOL
General Li Jinglin was looking for an instructor for his division. He wanted Li Shuwen compete for the position with the current instructor so he ordered a match to see what instructor would be best. Well, the match began and, as you may guess, Li Shuwen killed the instructor which was not what General Li Jinglin wanted. The family of the dead instructor wanted compensation and justice for the "murder" of their family member. General Li Jinglin made some type of payment and whisked Li Shuwen off to Cangzhou, Hebei - and I think that is when Liu Yunqiao's family hired him to train the relatively well educated son. I believe that is where Li Shuwen spent his last 10 years and the story goes that someone poisoned him. General Zhang Xiangwu, a senior disciple of Li Shuwen and Liu Yunqiao, Li Shuwen's disciple set out to find the assassins but never were successful.
Again don't get too crazy over these stories - Li Shuwen supposedly had a lot of nervous energy and would often chew on chicken bones etc. However, he was associated with the warlords and the military and there were numerous factions so it should come as no surprise that potential assassins were a reasonable explanation for his paranoia. However, I don't think he ran around randomly killing people but if challenged, for him, victory was simply established by killing the opponent.
Sociopath well, lack of empathy, emotional regard for opponents yeah, probably so and he was no Daoist/Buddhist calligraphy loving guy and an interesting contrast to his last student Liu Yunqiao, who was well educated and was a very skilled calligrapher.
I also do not think he was someone to emulated.
Here is an interesting story for someone else to verify or falsify. When the Zheng Manqing arrived members of the party and military was there to greet him and others. Zheng Manqing was associated with Jiang Jieshi's wife (art I believe). Liu Yunqiao went to greet Zheng Manqing and Zheng Manqing completely ignored him - It's also interesting that Robert Smith, being in the CIA, never wrote anything about Liu Yunqiao or bajiquan/pigua zhang even though this is what was taught to Jiang Jieshi's Palace Guards.
Someone may have thoughts about this to share regardless of the interpretation
General Li Jinglin was looking for an instructor for his division. He wanted Li Shuwen to compete for the position with the current instructor so he ordered a match to see what instructor would prevail. Well, the match began and, as you may guess, Li Shuwen killed the instructor which was not what General Li Jinglin wanted. The family of the dead instructor wanted compensation and justice for the "murder" of their family member. General Li Jinglin made some type of payment and whisked Li Shuwen off to Cangzhou, Hebei - and I think that is when Liu Yunqiao's family hired him to train their relatively well educated son. I believe that is where Li Shuwen spent his last 10 years and the story goes that someone poisoned him. General Zhang Xiangwu, a senior disciple of Li Shuwen and Liu Yunqiao, Li Shuwen's disciple set out to find the assassins but never were successful.
Again don't get too crazy over these stories - Li Shuwen supposedly had a lot of nervous energy and would often chew on chicken bones etc. However, he was associated with the warlords and the military and there were numerous factions so it should come as no surprise that potential assassins were a reasonable explanation for his paranoia. However, I don't think he ran around randomly killing people but if challenged, for him, victory was simply established by killing the opponent.
Sociopath well, lack of empathy, lack of emotional regard for opponents yeah, probably so and he was no Daoist/Buddhist calligraphy loving guy and an interesting contrast to his last student Liu Yunqiao, who was well educated and was a very skilled calligrapher.
I also do not think he was someone to be emulated.
Here is an interesting story for someone else to verify or falsify. When the Guomingdang arrived in Taiwan As with all stories I don't know the degree of accuracy but buyer beware LOL
General Li Jinglin was looking for an instructor for his division. He wanted Li Shuwen compete for the position with the current instructor so he ordered a match to see what instructor would be best. Well, the match began and, as you may guess, Li Shuwen killed the instructor which was not what General Li Jinglin wanted. The family of the dead instructor wanted compensation and justice for the "murder" of their family member. General Li Jinglin made some type of payment and whisked Li Shuwen off to Cangzhou, Hebei - and I think that is when Liu Yunqiao's family hired him to train the relatively well educated son. I believe that is where Li Shuwen spent his last 10 years and the story goes that someone poisoned him. General Zhang Xiangwu, a senior disciple of Li Shuwen and Liu Yunqiao, Li Shuwen's disciple set out to find the assassins but never were successful.
Again don't get too crazy over these stories - Li Shuwen supposedly had a lot of nervous energy and would often chew on chicken bones etc. However, he was associated with the warlords and the military and there were numerous factions so it should come as no surprise that potential assassins were a reasonable explanation for his paranoia. However, I don't think he ran around randomly killing people but if challenged, for him, victory was simply established by killing the opponent.
Sociopath well, lack of empathy, emotional regard for opponents yeah, probably so and he was no Daoist/Buddhist calligraphy loving guy and an interesting contrast to his last student Liu Yunqiao, who was well educated and was a very skilled calligrapher.
I also do not think he was someone to emulated.
Here is an interesting story for someone else to verify or falsify. When the Zheng Manqing arrived members of the party and military was there to greet him and others. Zheng Manqing was associated with Jiang Jieshi's wife (art I believe). Liu Yunqiao went to greet Zheng Manqing and Zheng Manqing completely ignored him - It's also interesting that Robert Smith, being in the CIA, never wrote anything about Liu Yunqiao or bajiquan/pigua zhang even though this is what was taught to Jiang Jieshi's Palace Guards.
Someone may have thoughts about this to share regardless of the interpretation