Re: Xing-yi hands, Taichi waist, and Bagua legs
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:33 am
At what point does practice become ‘art’. When speaking of essence and such, this transition is fascinating.
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Bao wrote: I can see classical Hebei XY together with Chen style TJ and Yin style BG. And I can see Wu TJ together with Cheng style BG and Shanxi XY. And I can see Yang style TJ together with XYLH and LHBF.
Far7anR wrote:That is really interesting. Mind fleshing that out a bit? Which Yin Style BG are you referring to? The He Jinbao lineage or the other Yin BG stuff?
I really can see Hebei XY, Chen TJ and Yin BG working together a bit.
Wu TJ definitely is more subtle, and I can Cheng BG is relatively softer than Yin and those may gel well. But I don't think Yang TJ would clash either, considering it's the style most Cheng BG who crosstrain in TJ end up going to.
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The very essential of boxing is to understand timing, all things else is secondary however never less also of importance, as for example body conditioning.....The Chinese method manage to combined the essence with body conditioning methods into one, which was a great innovation but also a method to be easily misunderstood if one “learn” without proper guidance .... What is unclear, at least to me, exactly what is "essence",
What is incorporated from a form or system to be then labeled as "essence"?
Bao wrote:I’ve practiced four different types of Bagua, two different Cheng variations, Sun BG and Yin BG. I didn’t practice Yin style for long because it was too hard compared to my Tai chi and made me stiff. The Sun style BG I practiced felt a bit sloppy and also too similar to Tai Chi so it felt pointless practicing both. Cheng style was my favorite because of the softness together with the dynamic body work. I don’t miss it, but it was very good to combine with my Yang Tai Chi back then, 25 years ago.
Far7anR wrote:Sounds like you have been really busy!
I sampled a lot of things, bits and pieces really, but recently finally settled into Yin Style Baguazhang. I almost chose Yang Style Taiji with Adam Mizner's program,
wingchun wrote:"In the old days, Xing-yi, Taichi and Bagua were one art (same family). it says, Xing-yi hands, Taichi waist, and Bagua legs"
I can understand what this means in regards to the skillsets of "Xing-yi hands and Taichi waist", but can anyone explain what the Bagua legs skillset entails?
edededed wrote:wingchun wrote:"In the old days, Xing-yi, Taichi and Bagua were one art (same family). it says, Xing-yi hands, Taichi waist, and Bagua legs"
I can understand what this means in regards to the skillsets of "Xing-yi hands and Taichi waist", but can anyone explain what the Bagua legs skillset entails?
Anyone remember the original Chinese? I forget whether taiji was yao or kua (I think it was kua).
For bagua, legs was "zou" (walking) - the mobility of bagua.
Bob wrote:Hello Omar - it has been a long time.
LOL - I remember your "blended" taiji line quite well and even wished I had learned it
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Hope all is well in Xian and your practice is going well.
C.J.W. wrote:In the line of Bagua I practice, we use the waist to lead the kua as opposed to the kua leading the waist like in most styles of Xingyi and Taiji.
There are people who do Bagua using the kua to lead the waist but, in my opinion, they are usually the ones who come from lineages that have mixed in Xingyi and Taiji's shenfa.