greatest taiji skill i've felt

[iwalkthecircle]

i knocked/throw/headLock them down while moving and canNot while standing.
i think in an actual combat keep moving is a better idea.

Sure, it's better in combat to move, as your experience illustrates, not only does that give someone more room to retreat, it makes entering much easier.

Sounds like they need to work on their moving-step more there. They seem to have a hard time translating the skills from one paradigm to the other.

For me, the fixed-step is merely a way of training that ability to hold your ground once your defenses have been breached, in moving step, the skills should basically come out when they're in the danger zone, if not, well, then, yeah, they spent TOO much time there.

why would you want to hold your ground once the defense have been breached...why not just run at 45 degree TOWARD them to escape after they push you away? (It is slower to run backward unless you spin around 360 degrees.)


i donot understand why most TCC people would actually practice fixed step PH before they practice moving, and since the goal is to do moving step to simulate actual combat.
i seen some of the moving PH matches from chen village that looks just like SC....

from your posting and mine, they are two sets of different skills.

Many people possess this kind of ability, I can do it to many potential opponents in varying situations, I've had it done to me. As I train more I get better at it. The combat value is self-evident to me, but I don't see it as some mystical mumbo-jumbo as much as it is simple physics.

I think the true question is whether these so call high-level skill has combat value or not.
This is something i been thinking about myself.
IF it is ONLY useful in static PH, it might be time wasted.

Whether someone on this planet possess this kind ability or not is one thing. Whether this ability has true combat value is another. There are many ability that we can develop in our life time. It's our choice to decide what we want to spend training time in it. IMO, I pefer to spend my time in "finish moves".

[ninepalace]

I neither believe nor disbelieve it. He killed his daughter, witnesses say he levitated from the grief. I've never seen anyone levitate, but I've never seen anyone shove a gerbil in a private orifice either.

i don't think any yangs killed any daughters. think how ridiculous it is to think that a martial arts master of old yang caliber would just fuck up and kill their own daughter cuz they did the technique to hard. on the contrary, the better someone is at taiji, the less likely they are to hurt anyone.

let's not forget all the bullshit in martial arts. not to mention the many sources that describe yang shaohao and banhao as people who didn't pull punches with anyone. you'd think if they killed one of their daughters they'd probably cut that shit out and there would be some big lesson in control in the yang taiji culture.

[Ian]

One of the old Yangs, I can't remember if it's Pan Hou or Shao Hou, right off the top of my head, but it was one of them. As the story goes, he did a technique too hard, she died, and he was so overcome with emotion that he levitated.

Do you seriously believe this?

I neither believe nor disbelieve it. He killed his daughter, witnesses say he levitated from the grief. I've never seen anyone levitate, but I've never seen anyone shove a gerbil in a private orifice either.

The levitation is beside the point, though. The main idea of the story was that taiji is the only MA that I know of wherein an acclaimed master accidentally killed their own child in a training session. Don't lose the forest for the hate.

I don't hate you, but I think it's interesting you'd believe something like that.

So you think his martial skill was so great that he was able to defy gravity?

[Muad'dib]

I don't think at any point in the post did the poster say they actually believed the levitation story.

[Ian]

You're right. Here merely lacks the sufficient disbelief to stop himself from entertaining it as a serious possibility, of course.

[johnwang]

For the leg hooking/push move that you mentioned, do you think a good defense would be to wrap both arms, lean back and kick with the leg that is being hooked?

Outside crescent kick is the basic escape for leg hooking (this is why the coutside crescent kick is part of the SC warm up exercise). Attacking his standing leg is the basic counter for many throws.

- Raise the leg that has been hooked into a golden rooster stance and use your knee to lift up his upper leg.
- Use that leg to hook his back standing leg.
- Push his shoulder back.

Of course this depends on whether his momentum will run you down backward or not.

[DeusTrismegistus]

You're right. Here merely lacks the sufficient disbelief to stop himself from entertaining it as a serious possibility, of course.

Or he simply repeated it as he heard/read it.

Pink elephants fly around Cuba and bomb them with their elephant pies.

Oh shit I said something I must believe it.

[johnwang]

http://www.myninjaplease.com/music/wp-c ... itate2.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au7-b77hBCE

[Ian]

You're right. Here merely lacks the sufficient disbelief to stop himself from entertaining it as a serious possibility, of course.

Or he simply repeated it as he heard/read it.

Pink elephants fly around Cuba and bomb them with their elephant pies.

Oh shit I said something I must believe it.

Would you also say you neither believe nor disbelieve the above, rather than flat-out know it's impossible?

Would you say seeing / not seeing your pink elephants is about the same as seeing / not seeing a man shoving gerbils up his ass, even though one is perfectly easy to achieve, and the other violates the known laws of the natural sciences?

I neither believe nor disbelieve it. He killed his daughter, witnesses say he levitated from the grief. I've never seen anyone levitate, but I've never seen anyone shove a gerbil in a private orifice either.

Why are you trying to pick a fight with me?

[TaoJoannes]

Straight-up, I've seen too much wacky shit that I had previously thought impossible to close the door on the possibility of any phenomena I've not seen yet. I can't attest to its reality, but neither can I conclusively deny the possibility. I don't understand why that's so hard to grasp.

[Ian]

I have no problems with you, though. No problems at all

[TaoJoannes]

Same here, inflection and body language are lost in the internet. We's cool, homie.

[kreese]

John Wang,

I think I know what the outside crescent kick is. I saw the Beijing SC team practicing a drill where there would squat down and then stand up while doing a bent-leg outer crescent kick - the whole body would spin in the direction of the kick. I was able to use that move in wrestling almost immediately after seeing it when someone tried to sweep me or block my leg from the outside.

I was just wondering how to counter the 2-hand push and the sweep at the same time. What I understand from your response is that one should immediately go for an offensive counter instead of just thinking of "defense". And yes, if he has enough momentum to "run me over" then I am sort of screwed. I should thinking about running him over even when attacked (?)

Thank you for the thoughtful response.

[johnwang]

I should thinking about running him over even when attacked (?)

IMO, running your opponent down is the highest level CMA skill. It can solve a lot of problems for you. When your opponent kicks you with a round house kick, if you have courage to move toward him then you won't give him the kicking distance that he needs. His kicking will not be effective. In CMA term, it's called "squeeze the space". The better throwing skill that you have, the more courage that you will have to move in because closer distance will be to your advantage.

Even if a front cut can counter a front cut but if your opponent has more momentum than you, your counter won't work well. If you can borrow his momentum and spin with it then you can take advantage on his momentum. The problem is if he pushes both of your shoulders (or even just the opposit side shoulder) then it will be hard for you to spin.

This is the "contact points" that I'm talking about. You don't just push at his "center". Instead you push him in such a way that he cannot borrow your force.

[chicagoTaiJi]

his demonstrations have also made me conclude that there is probably no such thing as chi. or at least i'm sure that chi is not something used ON another person.

simple proof there is chi: you are not dead.

chi just means vital energy and is used in a broad, and perhaps generic sense. chi means one is using energy, the trick is having "one chi", using the body as a whole...

everyone 'has' chi... picking up a penny from the ground requires the use of qi (both bending down and lifting the penny up)