still working on it. been "naturally" not mobile for so long.mobility
maybe one day I'll get back to it. only "push hands" is incidental push pull in football/soccer. which is more "honest" imho. no hippies yelling at each other.martial arts
whoa, this is great! so you kind of fajin without intending it.relaxed after squeezing her. She was effortlessly uprooted
I feel like I "relax" downward, but still with too much tension...taking them away from sung
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Audi from Yang Forums wrote:Wu Yingfeng said: "'Song'" is a specialized term that internal schools have. What they call "song" indicates the state of carrying out a reasonable movement of the body with the least inherent waste of physical energy.
I used concepts similar to these when I first practiced Tai chi on and off for about ten years. At my first seminar with Masters Yang Zhendou and Yang Jun, I was quite surprised because it was evident from their movement and explanations that they did not use this definition at all, but were doing something else.
Master Yang Zhenduo repeatedly demonstrated what he meant by "song" by putting his arms in the final position of a posture and then putting more energy into them to open the joints and visibly make the position of the arms longer and larger. I remember one of other attendees remarking during a break at how odd it was to hear this movement translated as "to relax," since the translation seemed to indicate almost the exact opposite feeling of what Grandmaster Yang was demonstrating. His recommended movement required more muscular energy rather than less.
Appledog wrote:everything wrote:if you areAudi from Yang Forums wrote:Wu Yingfeng said: "'Song'" is a specialized term that internal schools have. What they call "song" indicates the state of carrying out a reasonable movement of the body with the least inherent waste of physical energy.
I used concepts similar to these when I first practiced Tai chi on and off for about ten years. At my first seminar with Masters Yang Zhendou and Yang Jun, I was quite surprised because it was evident from their movement and explanations that they did not use this definition at all, but were doing something else.
Master Yang Zhenduo repeatedly demonstrated what he meant by "song" by putting his arms in the final position of a posture and then putting more energy into them to open the joints and visibly make the position of the arms longer and larger. I remember one of other attendees remarking during a break at how odd it was to hear this movement translated as "to relax," since the translation seemed to indicate almost the exact opposite feeling of what Grandmaster Yang was demonstrating. His recommended movement required more muscular energy rather than less.
It is somewhat backwards to practice something for 20 years only to finally understand it; this does not make logical sense, since if this was the case how did the exercise become invented, if no one can understand it prior to it's long and dedicated practice? So, the rationale is that song has and always meant an extension of the body. It is like pulling the kink out of a rope; first you taught the string, the suddenly the knot will come out with a pop. Clicks, pops, kinks, flat surfaces, and so forth indicate flaws, or closures, which can be opened with slow and gentle range of motion exercises like tai chi. This makes the right kind of qigong a great warmup for this, or just the form. That is it's purpose. It is directly connected with smooth and even motion with no breaks, starts or stops. If you see someone doing the form and there are sudden stops, starts, or changes of direction, by definition they are not song.
I don't think there's anything truly special about song, it's kind of like an underlying quality -- you could just as easily say "without stops or starts". But then you need to make special exceptions like "externally leaning, internally straight" or "externally stop, internally continue"... and things become a mess. Things become a mess like this when you have to pass down what you learned from 20 years experience instead of hearing it from a da shi. The above quote is from the Yang family, whose transmission is genuine, so I think that is a pretty valuable thing for them to have said and for us to hear.
Appledog wrote:everything wrote:if you areAudi from Yang Forums wrote:Wu Yingfeng said: "'Song'" is a specialized term that internal schools have. What they call "song" indicates the state of carrying out a reasonable movement of the body with the least inherent waste of physical energy.
I used concepts similar to these when I first practiced Tai chi on and off for about ten years. At my first seminar with Masters Yang Zhendou and Yang Jun, I was quite surprised because it was evident from their movement and explanations that they did not use this definition at all, but were doing something else.
Master Yang Zhenduo repeatedly demonstrated what he meant by "song" by putting his arms in the final position of a posture and then putting more energy into them to open the joints and visibly make the position of the arms longer and larger. I remember one of other attendees remarking during a break at how odd it was to hear this movement translated as "to relax," since the translation seemed to indicate almost the exact opposite feeling of what Grandmaster Yang was demonstrating. His recommended movement required more muscular energy rather than less.
It is somewhat backwards to practice something for 20 years only to finally understand it; this does not make logical sense, since if this was the case how did the exercise become invented, if no one can understand it prior to it's long and dedicated practice? So, the rationale is that song has and always meant an extension of the body.
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The above quote is from the Yang family, whose transmission is genuine, so I think that is a pretty valuable thing for them to have said and for us to hear.
Quigga wrote:Sinking and flying... Always a combination of opposites. Sometimes I like to imagine standing in a column of golden light where there is no gravity, yet I'm still standing lol.
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