I've included my own quotes replied to because it is some pages back..
cloudz wrote:I'm not sure you grasped what bao was getting at re. the speed thing. Your weight is either one place or another - it's all well and good saying it better to issue across your body, for whatever reason. But when things are happening fast - it's the adjusting to the situation so you can use that that may slow you down.
bodywork wrote:That makes no sense in either case. One side weighted punching launches weight from one foot to the other with a shift.
I took it as "same side" punching. that you were punching from the same side your weight was.. a misunderstanding perhaps..
cross-line has the weight availible in the body to change internally instead of being launched around the spine and stay in the body and issue out from it.
So how do you change your weight internally. Are you saying that you can shift your weight from one side to the other with no shift, no movement ?
I don't really get it. You havn't even clearly explaine what you mean by cross line. Someone posted a fine picture. Is that it ?
I'm not a mind reader.
Therefore it changes at speed in a shorter path. the mobility factor also involves what lifts the legs into the trunk and where you kick from. Which, contrary to all your saying usually makes people comment on how fast I am!
Theres no point in debating it. you simply cannot say what you are saying if you undersood both methods. To someone who undertands both, the statment that it's slower is just non...sense.
Not doubting your speed. I just think you havn't understood what I was getting at. Again why should I understand your method ? You havn't explained it anywhere near clearly enough.
Where and how is it taught in the Chinese internal arts ?
If it is basically the posture in the picture posted, then yes I understand that and recognise it as "twist step", but that does little to tally up with the method you are describing..
I didn't mean that anything would physically have slowed you down, but that hitting from same side might sometimes be the quickest and fastest thing
to do given the right opening, and you are in the right position for it. But that was when i though we were talking about hitting from the same side your weight was on. You have subsequently pointed out that is not what you mean by terms same side , or one side punching..
[quote=cloudz]If you're in a good position to and throw a right cross - the power comes from your rear right leg, what power and speed did you lose ?[/quote]
[quote=bodywork]From winding around the spine from the left foot and allowing it to engage more mass in with the right side which is axiomatic and that increases weight times velocity and creates and offers more momentum and deeper penetraition. More importantly is the ability to instantly shift weight and prevent many throw attempts. That gets more complex with a positive / negative support but it is nonetheless very effective.[/quote]
ok that's confusing because you seem to be confirming that you wouldn't lose anything
we agree.
And what power / speed will you gain and or lose by switching in that split moment. likely the firsdt thing you'll lose is the opportunity to throw it. no?
[quote=bodywork]Having spent the majority of my life moving the other way, I am quite satisfied that this is both faster, and more powerful, particularly in anti throwing and in instant power in the hands.[/quote]
An understandable idea of what is meant here by cross line method would come in handy.
I'm sure this is just misunderstanding on my part - but what are we meaning by "same side weighted people"
Lauching left to right with weight on the same hand side to hit loses a substantial portion of weight.
This would be clearer if you said which hand was doing the hitting. I've played around doing various permutations and not noticed any significant "loss of weight". not entirely clear what is meant by it, or where it would go. With everything thrown the goal must be to get full weight behind the strike. There doesn't seem to be any significant leakage from various permutations. I'll be as bold as to say my speed and power is fairly consistent, which is not to say all strikes are created equal. But it can all be useful enough..
bodywork wrote:Throwing people by bringing their weight over their center or on to one side.
Agreed, that i understand!
[quote=cloudz]Say a jab is issued rear leg to front hand (across), any punch from the rear hand would be same side then. so would that mean you only ever strike with your front hand ?[/quote]
bodywork wrote:No, you wind or issue from either side but because of the way the weight is carried you can touch, press, strike or throw and the floor is felt in your hands.
This sounds like a clue. Are you intimating that the weight is held centrally. because then I could undrstand that your method is minimising weight shifting by keeping things more central..
i can dig that.
bodywork wrote:It is sharp, painful, and requires no windup to deliver. so retraction and external winding up is not needed. What gets fun is being in a clinch and the guy hacing his ribd open and having th epower to break ribs or knock-out from close -in. Works on the ground too.
sounds like "short power". nice.
[quote=cloudz]Or are you standing square on
If you are more talking about standing grappling - could you give a few example what you mean, much appreciated.[/quote]
bodywork wrote:Stances and and feet placement has nothing to do with the discussion whatsoever. Positional dominance is active and ever changing. I "think" of setting up and staying one step ahead, same as on the ground. Then Murphy steps in.
sounds like following. cool
cheers
and sorry if I'm being a bit of a pain with this. If i can get a little new insight from you out of it, it'll be worth it..