windwalker wrote:
Did I copy & paste the wrong source?
windwalker wrote:
robert wrote:"Cheng Man Ching tai chi chuan is a school in its own right just as the Yang style is. The first and most obvious reason is that if the old gentleman himself had not thought of it this way he would never have allowed his book to be entitled 'Cheng's Tai Chi Chuan Thirteen Chapters'.
Just thought I'd point out that the English translation is titled Cheng Tzu's Thirteen Treatises on T'ai Chi Ch'uan. It's Cheng's thirteen treatises not Cheng's taijiquan.
In the book Tai-Chi by Cheng and Smith they use the same translation Cheng Tzu's Thirteen Treatises on T'ai Chi Ch'uan. Also in the same book at the end of chapter one the Yang family lineage is enumerated and it says Cheng Man-Ching, learned personally from Yang for nearly a decade and today is spreading the Yang style of Tai-Chi throughout the world.
FWIW.
Bao wrote:windwalker wrote:
Did I copy & paste the wrong source?
robert wrote:"Cheng Man Ching tai chi chuan is a school in its own right just as the Yang style is. The first and most obvious reason is that if the old gentleman himself had not thought of it this way he would never have allowed his book to be entitled 'Cheng's Tai Chi Chuan Thirteen Chapters'.
Just thought I'd point out that the English translation is titled Cheng Tzu's Thirteen Treatises on T'ai Chi Ch'uan. It's Cheng's thirteen treatises not Cheng's taijiquan.
In the book Tai-Chi by Cheng and Smith ... Also in the same book at the end of chapter one the Yang family lineage is enumerated and it says Cheng Man-Ching, learned personally from Yang for nearly a decade .
Bao wrote:In the book Tai-Chi by Cheng and Smith ... Also in the same book at the end of chapter one the Yang family lineage is enumerated and it says Cheng Man-Ching, learned personally from Yang for nearly a decade .
Nearly? Is five or six years nearly? More half a decade than nearly. Nearly one is not possible because ZMC met YCF around 1930 for the first time, and he (YCF) died in 1936.
co-lee wrote:All of the YCF / CMC timelines are somewhat contradictory.
robert wrote:co-lee wrote:All of the YCF / CMC timelines are somewhat contradictory.
ZMQ wrote a forward to YCF's book and he wrote In the first lunar month of 1932, I met Master Yang Chengfu at Mr. Pu Qiuzhen's house.
Do you think that ZMQ didn't know when he met YCF? YCF's book is published in 1934 only a few years after ZMQ met YCF.
nicklinjm wrote:@co-lee / Robert: I think one person who has been missing from this discussion is Pu Bingru (Pu Qiuzhen's daughter), who first learned taiji under Ye Dami and then later became YCF's only female disciple. By all accounts she attained a v decent level of skill in form and push hands (although I doubt she was interested or taught the fighting side).
By CMC's own account he studied with YCF for 7 years, i.e. starting in 1929. However, based on the articles from people like Qu Shijing and Huang Jinghua it's obvious that even before meeting YCF, CMC learnt form and the main push hands methods under Ye Dami, alongside Pu Bingru. So my guess is that by the time CMC officially started studying under YCF in 1929 / 1930 he originally had a decent grounding in the form and basic jin skills.
nicklinjm wrote:@co-lee / Robert: I think one person who has been missing from this discussion is Pu Bingru (Pu Qiuzhen's daughter), who first learned taiji under Ye Dami and then later became YCF's only female disciple. By all accounts she attained a v decent level of skill in form and push hands (although I doubt she was interested or taught the fighting side).
By CMC's own account he studied with YCF for 7 years, i.e. starting in 1929. However, based on the articles from people like Qu Shijing and Huang Jinghua it's obvious that even before meeting YCF, CMC learnt form and the main push hands methods under Ye Dami, alongside Pu Bingru. So my guess is that by the time CMC officially started studying under YCF in 1929 / 1930 he originally had a decent grounding in the form and basic jin skills.
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