Neijia in real fight

[Wanderingdragon]

Well executed, and a skill law enforcement desperately needed here in the west so guns are never the first course of action. But hardly a fight.

[Bao]

But hardly a fight.

But this is exactly how IMA would look like. There should not be a chance for "the opponent [to] really hit with 100% power", as the OP stated.

"If my opponent moves slightly, I arrive first". If you let him attack with "100% power" means that you're too slow, your timing is off.

[AL2016]

1 ORAGAMI IF YOU have some video it would help to see directly and the best is a training where the two opponent hit naturally

it s not conviniance at the first contact one of the two already submit to his master

2 WANDERWINGDRAGON yes CAPACITY to control the nervosity is very important

myself iam very weak at it

[origami_itto]

I don't fight on film.

[AL2016]

OR if you have youtube video from some masters?

thanks

[Bao]

OR if you have youtube video from some masters?

If there in fact were a bunch of such videos lying around on the internet, you and everyone here would have known about them for ages. I wouldn't think that anyone who really would want to hurt you would start off by arranging cameras around you. But you might have a different view? ...probably out of personal experience?

Sorry that I can't give you what you ask for, but maybe you will find this video somewhat satisfying?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM1pcfFNsnE

[origami_itto]

OR if you have youtube video from some masters?

thanks

Well here's my teacher doing some Xingyi.


And some Taiji application ideas.


And the Two Person form from our line.


But none of that's a fight.

[cloudz]

[AL2016]

Thanks The goal.of the post is to.understand the PRINCIPLE USED BY NEIJIA IN real FIGHT NOT seeing neijia fighting

Why?

[AL2016]

Because neijia principle are often difficult to understand hidden in a taolu.or bagua circle.

[AL2016]

And application are 90% conviniance

[AL2016]

And sometime you see video sanshou against yichuan. But in the principl the yichuan no yichuan s principle but fight like a normal sanshou

[everything]

Hi

Have you ever seen neijia in real.situation I mean
When the opponent really hit with 100% power without
connivance.i f you have video thanks

I have seen yichuan really applied against boxer and Thai boxing by master cuiruibin
And Vietnamese French master mingshan

And wangxianjie s student like master Wang shang wen can easily apply against boxer or wrestler.

But never seen in other neijia martial.act have you?

I don't think I've seen this kind of reality let alone captured a video.
1. what do you consider to be a "real situation"? Mma? A street incident over in 3 seconds? A stabbing?
2. Why don't you tell us about what happened when you saw something "really applied"?

[origami_itto]

Thanks The goal.of the post is to.understand the PRINCIPLE USED BY NEIJIA IN real FIGHT NOT seeing neijia fighting

Why?

So what, exactly are you asking for?

I've told you how I've used principles from the Nei Jia I've studied in actual real life encounters.

We've posted real life fights.

We've posted application ideas that show some of the external concepts in the arts.

What are you looking for?

This is a good clip showing some of the principles of Taiji used against a resisting opponent that highlights some of the differences in actual application.

I don't know about anybody else, but I can cover between 5-10 feet with a Xingyi attack, so any time I can get somebody off balance and falling backwards like the guy in this video, I always think about beng chuan'ing right through them.

[origami_itto]

Also, I think there is some confusion about "Neijia Principle".

Taijiquan, Xingyiquan, and Baguazhang share some similarities, but they aren't 100% the same in terms of Nei Jin or application.

Sure you can in some respect consider them all as "soft" arts, but specific application of internal principles differs greatly.

At the most basic and incorrect level, the way I study (or have studied these) Xingyi goes through the center, Bagua goes around the center, and Taiji holds the center.
Going more incorrectly...
The most fundamental basic power of Xingyi is a linear explosion through the opponent, a completely unified movement that starts and stops together and produces a phenomenal amount of power. You just run them over like a truck hitting a kitten.
For Bagua, it's powerful and evasive footwork that emphasizes mobility, disappearing from in front of the opponent and reappearing behind them. You give them a moving target to hit and attack from unexpected angles.
For Taiji, it's leading the opponent's power into nothingness or redirecting it back into the opponent. You hold your space and even if they touch you, their force does not affect you.

There's a lot more to each of these arts, but those, to me are the chief differentiating characteristics. Not that any individual's expression of them won't blend, because, let's face it, everybody learns a mix of the three these days, but that the purest form of the art's expressions will generally follow that basic idea.