XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby suckinlhbf on Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:11 am

I am wondering how the 1000 times a day go. It started by the end of Jan. The 60th day mark is tough to cross for the 100 days training.
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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby johnwang on Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:41 am

suckinlhbf wrote:I am wondering how the 1000 times a day go. It started by the end of Jan. The 60th day mark is tough to cross for the 100 days training.

I decide to do 200 Pi, 200 Tsuan, 200 Beng, 200 Pao, and 200 Heng. I also add in 200 XingYi dragon, 200 foot sweep, and 200 front cut. That will be about 1 hour and 20 minutes workout.

The

- XingYi dragon can add in a front heel kick movement.
- foot sweep can add in a leg forward movement.
- front cut can add in a leg backward movement.

This way the leg training and single leg balance are also included. I think I'll get better result from this package instead.
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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby Wanderingdragon on Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:43 am

:o whoa ! two hundred dragon per day, QUADS OF STEEL. ;) has
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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby suckinlhbf on Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:41 am

It is a nice package, more all-rounded. I saw people doing 250 low stance XingYi Dragon for 100 days, and hurt their knees as the hip is not opened and twisted enough to enable the butt to sit on the back leg.

You inspire me to want to add 1000 5 elements with nine palaces step on the daily routine. Thank You. Again, the excuse is how to find time on top of the 1 hour Shoalin Neigong set and 30 mins main form.
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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby Strange on Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:17 pm

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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby Strange on Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:23 pm

John, are you doing the training routine every day?
any rest days in between?
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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby johnwang on Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:25 pm

Strange wrote:John, are you doing the training routine every day?
any rest days in between?

I have done it everyday. Now I just do it every other day. I don't have rest days. I do 3 miles running and XingYi 5 elements during my resting days. My regular training days are much harder than just running and solo drills. The day that I don't have to deal with weight equipments (such as heavy bag, throwing bag, throwing KB, single head, double heads, bench pressing, weight pulley, cane bundle training, bricks twisting, square bag throwing, pole hanging, belt cracking, ...), I consider those day are my rest days.
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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby Strange on Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:45 pm

I see, it is quite a training schedule :)
thanks for sharing
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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby suckinlhbf on Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:07 am

Wow.... What a training schedule. A professional vs amateur training, and I never do weight.

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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby Overlord on Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:42 pm

suckinlhbf wrote:Wow.... What a training schedule. A professional vs amateur training, and I never do weight.

劈拳上躜之时吸气,收小腹,足三阴之气上而聚于中脘,后足蹬劲,顶头竖项,调动督脉沿夹脊直达百会。肺气自中焦直出中府云门。拳变掌向下一翻一落同时呼气,则肺气自云门沿膊里下达于少商、商阳,充于掌指。上之气沿任脉下于丹 田,足三阳之气下于涌泉。发劲时,随着掌之翻落,双腿向下微蹲同时前掌向前一搓,肩井穴向前一松劲自出.


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There are many movements involving coiling and turining as good as Longxing, even better.

Wang Xiangzhai added Xianglong and Fu Huzhuang 降龍 and 伏虎, these two are from Shuajiao incooperated into his ZZ.
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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby Strange on Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:10 pm

much respect to my learned brothers :)

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above from Old Farmer's Fist manual in my previous post
to my understanding LHBF Li Dong Feng (5-Word Song) and Old Master Wang
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1. Important to note, when external body shape-form is smooth, strength is unknowingly increased;
When internal body is in harmony, lively qi is unknowingly produced.
2. if the practitioner has this exquisite way, he would feel as having and having-nought, as being solid or void,
the intention being neither forgotten nor added/aided

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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby Mr_Wood on Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:13 am

Have you done XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times non-stop? Please share your experience here.


possibly but i never counted. done slowly is best, done quickly is difficult. i think combining fists / linking is more interesting, the motion of pi has an emphasis on a circular /vertical plane, it becomes much more interesting when combined with the horizontal and so on. Id prefer to do 500 standard pi and then 500 playing with variations, at this point i tend to learn as much doing things incorrectly as i do correctly.
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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby johnwang on Sat Mar 24, 2018 10:56 am

Mr_Wood wrote:i think combining fists / linking is more interesting, ...

Agree! I have tried the following sequence:

1. Pi
2. Tsuan
3. Heng
4. Beng
5. Bi Dan Shi
6. Pao
7. Tiger

I then repeat this 7 moves on my other side. It's much more fun to train this way.
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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby Wanderingdragon on Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:10 pm

Xing I works well in shadow boxing, it helps you understand which change will work under what circumstance. With out this knowledge the fists can get tangled in a fight.
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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby Fa Xing on Sun Mar 25, 2018 10:42 am

For me, the standard sequence is:
1. Pi Quan/Zhang
2. Zuan Quan
3. Beng Quan/Zhang
4. Pao Quan/Zhang
5. Heng Quan
6. Linking set
7. Advance-Retreat Linking set
8. Dragon
9. Tiger
10. Single Palm Change
11. Double Palm Change
12. Sun Taijiquan Set (Most of the time I actually start with this).

If I have more time, I'll add some of my favorite animals, and the more advance linking sets of Xingyi (Ji Xing Si Ba, Ba Shi, Za Shi), following with the rest of the eight palms of Sun style BGZ.
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