GrahamB wrote:
That's quite good form there, but the important question that has to be asked here - does the Dude got FAJIN or not
GrahamB wrote:
C.J.W. wrote:willie wrote:Yang luchan did not figure out a damn thing. The martial side was left out. the fajin which is created by the Dantian is just part of what was left out. So CJW 's comment only shows how incorrect he is. everyone who goes against this very core principle only shows that they do not have martial Tai Chi.
Did I just felt an itch in my ear? Just because fajin isn't expressed in the form practice doesn't mean it isn't there, my friend.
If you look at Bagua, Cheng style also favors smooth movements like Yang Taiji, while Yin style incorporates fajin. Would you say that Cheng style is less martially effective than Yin?
Granted, it's true that the vast majority of Yang stylists don't know a damn thing about fighting and are, in general, much less interested in combat applications than Chen stylists. The main reason being that the soft movements and appearance of Yang styles tend to attract folks who are more keen on the spiritual, cultural, and health-promoting aspects of the art. (There are Yang stylists who can fight, just relatively very few and far between given the large number of practitioners.)
In IMA, what you see isn't always what you get. What appears strong may actually be weak, and what seems weak may actually be......VERY strong.
willie wrote: I'm not bashing yang Style, I'm simply telling you the truth and you can't handle it.
johnwang wrote:willie wrote: I'm not bashing yang Style, I'm simply telling you the truth and you can't handle it.
I train Chang (came from Yang) and I don't train Chen. But I agree with you here. I didn't learn Yang Taiji Fajin. My Chang Taiji teacher didn't learn Yang Taiji Fajin. My long fist teacher didn't learn Yang Taiji Fajin. Did we all have bad Yang Taiji teachers to start with?
I once added Baji Fajin into my Chang Taiji. One day my teacher asked me why did I do that for. I told him that since I didn't see any Chang Fajin, I just borrowed the Baji Fajin. My teacher then said, "Whatever should not belong to Yang Taiji should not be in it." I stopped adding Baji Fajin into my Chang Taiji after that.
Dr. Yang, Jwing-Ming added white crane Fajin into his Yang Taiji. He learned Yang Taiji from my long fist teacher (I did not learn Yang Taiji from my long fist teacher). There was no Fajin when my long fist teacher did his Taiji. So Dr Yang's Fajin must came from his white crane (This is my opinion only. I have not asked Dr, Yang on this).
My SC teacher's Chang Taiji (no Fajin in it).
My long fist teacher's Yang Taiji (no Fajin in it).
My Chang Taiji (no Fajin in it).
Dr Yang's Taiji (there are Fajin at 0.29 - 0.36).
willie wrote:All of the high-powered fajin strikes and grappling moves in Chen Style work. It's just difficult to find somebody who truly has it.
willie wrote:In my opinion it is a lot more than just the fajin that is missing.
Trick wrote:What is Dr.Yang Ywing Ming's TJQ linage?
johnwang wrote:- A Baji, Chen Taiji, XYLH teacher will tell you that if you have trained the Fajin drills, you will understand Fajin in 3 months.
Trick wrote:Is that fajin drills in thin air or on objects/sparring partners?
johnwang wrote:Trick wrote:What is Dr.Yang Ywing Ming's TJQ linage?
Yang Chen-Fu -> Han Ching-Tang -> Li Mao-Ching -> Dr.Yang Ywing Ming
I didn't learn Yang Taiji from my long fist teacher Li Mao-Ching. Even if I'm Dr. Yang's senior long fist brother, our Taiji came from different teacher.
johnwang wrote:Trick wrote:Is that fajin drills in thin air or on objects/sparring partners?
I believe it's "Fajin into the thin air".
willie wrote:Do you think that it would be in thin air if you went and stood in front of him?
willie wrote:Almost every Yang Style practitioner only has half of the art...
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