the rum soaked fist: internal martial arts forum

johnwang wrote:The preying mantis "monkey stance" use foot landing and strike at the same time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN7gP3J ... e=youtu.be

Yes, teacher Brendan Lai, was very quick useing this. I was thinking more along the lines of what some call crushing step used in bong bo.

Bruce Lee, was said to have use fencing as his model of stepping for entering

Do you step every time you punch?

Steve James wrote:Do you step every time you punch?

I've been thinking the same thing.

I think the disadvantage of either method is that the power clearly and obviously grows, peaks, and dies. It's a fundamentally different paradigm of power generation than taijiquan

Steve James wrote:Do you step every time you punch?

If you are

- inside of your opponent's kicking range, your opponent can kick you.
- outside of your opponent's kicking range, you have to enter that kicking range before your fist can land on his face.

To assume that your opponent is always within your push hand range is not realistic.

Bringing Western boxing's right cross punch into this discussion is a trifle confusing, for in Eastern terms it is neither a stepping punch nor a standing punch. It is a wonderful hybrid, one of the best punches ever, but hard to compare across the board with other punches. Let me explain.

The cross punch involves a definite weight transfer. In the version that was most commonly taught way back when I was learning it, the right heel rises off the canvas while you torque inward on the ball of your foot. That is a step, or serves like a step. Think of punching with the follow-step in CMA. It also urges the trunk to rotate to the left.

Then something weird and interesting happens, the hip and shoulders torque as the weight descends to the left foot. So it is weight transfer, weight drop and body torque all at once. The nearest Eastern analog that comes to mind is the double hip punch (Consterdine Special), for in both cases there is a rotary momentum around the left leg, but the boxing cross is more compact and, obviously, well integrated into the rest of boxing's system of movements.

Can anyone show combinations being done, at a normal speed, with every punch impacting "during your foot landing," especially when an opponent is moving?

Here is a person doing that against a heavy bag. It doesn't look effective:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GI6Epznm_s

To assume that your opponent is always within your push hand range is not realistic.

This has nothing to do with push hands. If an opponent is not within range, how I punch is irrelevant. My question was about how someone would punch with every step. It's possible to punch without stepping. A punch with a step will, imo, be more powerful. Turning the body will add more power.

A jab in western boxing is a single straight punch, usually with a step. However, an good boxer can use a double or triple jab, using a single step. Boxers are also taught to use a (left or right) jab - hook combination. But then there's the basic left jab - right cross. Both of these combinations utilize the body at least as much as the legs, Uppercuts, one might argue, depend more on the legs.

Anyway, turning the body is fundamental for a decent hook. And, technically, the front leg pivots, not lands, when a hook is thrown. As I've said, I think the transference of mass to point of impact is the most important thing. Since I study tcc, I'd say that my legs propel my body's mass and I try to transfer that to my hand/leg/whatever.

In terms of punching power, per se, imo the issue is how to generate the most power using the mass that I've got.

Steve James wrote: It's possible to punch without stepping.

I assume we are still talking about training here. In training, do we assume that

1. we always have to step in?
2. we never have to step in?
3. both 1 and 2?

we used to use small cement post to practice this. Each step was a punch...
the 45 degree horse, along with whats called triangle in/out stepping made the punching and stepping way very different
from some other styles.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq4ufTDHpF8

Hand and foot coordination is easy to see in this clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQZ3xn-UmjI

windwalker wrote:we used to use small cement post to practice this. Each step was a punch...
the 45 degree horse, along with whats called triangle in/out stepping made the punching and stepping way very different
from some other styles.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq4ufTDHpF8

Here Hop gar Grandmaster David Chin punches, "after your foot landing" at :15, :18:, 20, :25, :30, :31, :32, :46, :47, :49, :52, :56, :58, and 1:03:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKDgdvEa4S4

Here is another hand coordinate with foot Baji form.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OqWUFOtIHc

marvin8 wrote:Here Hop gar Grandmaster David Chin punches, "after your foot landing" at :15, :18:, 20, :25, :30, :31, :32, :46, :47, :49, :52, :56, :58, and 1:03:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKDgdvEa4S4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKDgdvEa4S4

wow didn't know you knew hop gar too, very cool

care to talk about some of the foot work
why and how its used....

windwalker wrote:

marvin8 wrote:Here Hop gar Grandmaster David Chin punches, "after your foot landing" at :15, :18:, 20, :25, :30, :31, :32, :46, :47, :49, :52, :56, :58, and 1:03:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKDgdvEa4S4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKDgdvEa4S4

wow didn't know you knew hop gar too, very cool

care to talk about some of the foot work
why and how its used....

No. I rather stay closer to the topic. However, I do care to correct punches to "attacks."

Steve James wrote:Do you step every time you punch?

One could maybe say the mechanics of stepping is there even if punching from an stationary stance, pushing with the feet’s (a forward and backward push) against the ground, slightly dropping and rebounding in the knees(maybe not done while stepping)