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After you have established a clinch on your opponent, suddenly you jump on his body, and take him down like a jumping spider. It's similar to BJJ "jump guard" strategy.

What do you think about this strategy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaVP7Qr ... e=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzlBIlDFU74

johnwang wrote:After you have established a clinch on your opponent, suddenly you jump on his body, and take him down like a jumping spider. It's similar to BJJ "jump guard" strategy.

What do you think about this strategy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaVP7Qr ... e=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzlBIlDFU74

Understanding its a demo.

I would consider the air time reaching the opponent
The commitment made in doing the movement
Set up strategy to apply the movement.

This seems kind of similar



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glNedroM7As

Interesting enough we had this movement in the n-mantis practiced in Korea
never cared for it.

Not a big fan of commited movement, although it may be a good strategy for some.

nope, not at all, windy
MMA guy is demoing judo kani basami "sacrifice " throw,while in JW demo you have big sweep / o soto gari/ as the finishing move

not sure about purpose of this jump with lock on the leg before executing the sweep /o soto gari/...

Is has to force adversary to move most of his weight on this leg?,
John?

wiesiek wrote:nope, not at all, windy
MMA guy is demoing judo kani basami "sacrifice " throw,while in JW demo you have big sweep / o soto gari/ as the finishing move

In Korea we called it a scissors kick,. He calls it a scissors kick.


You're saying it's a judo throw.

Ok.

hmm, ok,
so,
once again:
kani basasami= scissors throw- in translation, doesn`t matter Korean , Japanese or Chinese type ,
it is quite distinctive different technique than "o sotogari" where you`re stayin` on the one leg !

wiesiek wrote:hmm, ok,
so,
once again:
kani basasami= scissors throw- in translation, doesn`t matter Korean , Japanese or Chinese type ,
it is quite distinctive different technique than "o sotogari" where you`re stayin` on the one leg !

ya once again, its a scissors kick, in korean, Chinese which is what I and anyone else would call it.
They have different names for throws....



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE1REHiR40c

The way we practiced it was that there was no contact, it was all done in the air Initiated it with a kick
Never cared for it, felt it was to commited once started.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1EFPB5IWqA


If you feel they'er the same can't help you...carry on...

In use real time....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=267i7rKeECA

I really like the video. Your student flows into it very well. I don't have a lot of experience with wrestling, but if strikes are allowed it may be dangerous to jump like that.

Windy,
let`s agree, that scissors are scissors ,doesn`t matter Jap. , Kor, or Ch.,
also
difference - kick in the chest/solar pl., 1st, or sweepin` under the knees - as the initial move, are not "stylistics" differences, but live action dictated . /It has to be >two in one move< btw/
Anyway,
all those are in the "scissors" bag in my notebook...
and in one -Sacrifice Throws group of throws.
However
I was pointing out, that big sweep /O sotogari/ is quite different beast,

please be more careful when reading

wiesiek wrote:Windy,
let`s agree, that scissors are scissors ,doesn`t matter Jap. , Kor, or Ch.,
also
difference - kick in the chest/solar pl., 1st, or sweepin` under the knees - as the initial move, are not "stylistics" differences, but live action dictated . /It has to be >two in one move< btw/ why not lets agree that those who use the move, understand the move call it something else and understand it as such whether you or I agree with them or not.
Anyway,
all those are in the "scissors" bag in my notebook...
and in one -Sacrifice Throws group of throws.
However
I was pointing out, that big sweep /O sotogari/ is quite different beast,

please be more careful when reading

like wise

Regarding my comparison I was referencing the big commitment made and the fact that once one is in the air very difficult if impossible to change.
Ones timing has to be very good....Of course practice to make it work as JW does is what makes it doable...
He asked for comments those were mine.

my opinion about scissory move is different,
it is easy to learn and quite powerful in his takin`adversary down ability .
Can be quite deadly "da streets" if pulled out for someone not trained in the breakfalls .
Main contras are - the sacrifice move itself and kinda of telegraphic beginning, also,technique itself is not easy to execute on experienced fighter ,
but
every technique has the best window time for using it, you know

I've seen it go well and end badly.

The time it went well it looked alot like what was in the video. And that was in sparring in a dojo.

The time I saw it go badly involved a very strong man and a rather skinny guy outside a pub. The attacker leapt forward and the defender, the strong guy, grapped the attacker by the belt and collar. He absorped the attackers momentum, reversed and slammed him down on his neck. The fight ended right there.

So, as usual, I think it comes down to application and the specific scenario.

It's more of a Gambit than a strategy. Very risky.

The jumping spider strategy is very simple. You want to bite your shin bone on your opponent's lower leg so his leg won't give you any trouble. Since it's so difficult to bite your shin bone on your opponent's lower leg (he will pull leg out, or step back), you try to bite on his upper leg instead.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJDBoP4 ... e=youtu.be

well,
John, I would like to note, that initial clip of your post is different than you personally presenting, -
you`re attacking left leg and next goin` for big sweep on the right, while in the 1st vid., your student is: kicking, then jumping with the kick/lock makin` contact his shin bone and sweeps -all those located on the right side...

so,
anyway, it is kinda of rebound lo kick over the knee, -I mean 1st move, is it?
and
we have big sweep /O sotogari/ as the finishing tech, no the scissors of any kind , I suppose.