So, so tired of all of the "sink the qi" talk....

[GrahamB]

Trick... I'm saying that just saying it means "relax" is not helpful, or accurate. Sure you need to relax, but that's just a superficial understanding of what 'sink the qi' means.

Is the yoga guy sinking his qi or not?

[Trick]

Did you use feet-ground connection when you planted your fist in the opponents face, or was it done with an isolated arm movement?

After you have borrowed the counter force from the ground, your Qi (energy) is floating from your leg, throw your back, through your arm, and reach to your hand. Your Qi is no longer sinking at that moment.

But still if have skill, even if your fist is Qi empowered there would/should still be Qi/energy/subconscious awareness in the feet/ legs for a possible smooth positioning readjustment for an follow up for example can be done ? Don’t want to be all top heavy when throw that mighty fist, what if it’s ducked.

[Trick]

How to not theorize on a internet ‘discussion’ forum,

Besides theory, there are how to

- enter,
- finish,
- counter,
- counter a counter,
- use one move to set up next move,
- borrow the resistance force,
- borrow the yielding force,
- use straight line to interrupt a circle,
- change a straight line move into a circular move,
- change a circular move into a straight line move,
- attack one direction then attack the opposite direction,
- use footwork,
- ...

We can always learn something from each other through concrete discussion (such as how to move in your back leg). How can we learn anything through "theory" discussion (such as sink the Qi)?

Yes I agree, I think I try as good as I can toward this sink the Qi topic to not fly in the clouds

[Bao]

Well I put forward my interpretation of “sink the Qi” = Relax. No Qi/nervous system electricity/Energy is actually sunken, it moves more smoothly all over because the relaxed state of mind and body. All around/all over, from top to toe alertness....

This is correct. Actually, according to the original “qi theory”, you don’t sink the qi. You sink the heart flame below the water and then there is steam. Qi raises and circulate, but it doesn’t sink.

[Trick]

If sinking the qi was just relaxing... why would there be separate instructions to relax (fang song) and sink the qi?

Now I actually don’t know anyone who said or taught the “sink the Qi”, fang song on the other hand I have heard in my ear many times

[GrahamB]

I notice nobody is up to the yoga guy question....

If you really understand something, you can explain it to your grandma.

[Bao]

I notice nobody is up to the yoga guy question.

I did it in the last post. You don’t sink the qi, you circulate it.
Can you do it in that position? Small circulation, yes according to some theory, no according to others. Great circulation, no.

[Trick]

Trick... I'm saying that just saying it means "relax" is not helpful, or accurate. Sure you need to relax, but that's just a superficial understanding of what 'sink the qi' means.

Is the yoga guy sinking his qi or not?

I’m not doing yoga, but I say he’s relaxing in the posture. Maybe yoga also as the ICMA’s certain visualizations to work with the posture ? but I doubt it, although yoga has an “warrior” posture it’s probably not there for martial applications.. Unlike the practice of CIMA’s that kind of hit two birds with one stone...

[Trick]

Well I put forward my interpretation of “sink the Qi” = Relax. No Qi/nervous system electricity/Energy is actually sunken, it moves more smoothly all over because the relaxed state of mind and body. All around/all over, from top to toe alertness....

This is correct. Actually, according to the original “qi theory”, you don’t sink the qi. You sink the heart flame below the water and then there is steam. Qi raises and circulate, but it doesn’t sink.

Yes I too had the steam thing in mind

[Trick]

I notice nobody is up to the yoga guy question....

If you really understand something, you can explain it to your grandma.

You’re very secretive on this topic, maybe granny’s advice ?

[GrahamB]

Put the heart flame below the water? Don't sink the qi, circulate it instead?

No wonder Granny has given up and does Aqua Aerobics instead!

[Trick]

Put the heart flame below the water? Don't sink the qi, circulate it instead?

No wonder Granny has given up and does Aqua Aerobics instead!

Will pre-stage to rigor-mortis make granny sink or float(sorry for the dark humor, no ill intentions). A Taiji teacher in Taiwan said, if you should ever think about an additional exercise outside the Taiji curriculum it should be swimming. But I guess he meant swimming without those inflatable things around the arms and the waist...If granny does it without those, she might be halfway to sinking................the Qi...or not.

[Bao]

Put the heart flame below the water? Don't sink the qi, circulate it instead?

No wonder Granny has given up and does Aqua Aerobics instead!

Symbolic my friend. You should read the neidan classics and it will (hopefully) become clearer.

The picture of the dantian was a stove. In the kidneys there is water. Our heart carry fire. By calming the mind and breath, this fire will sink to the stove below the water to produce steam. The character of Qi means steam. By coordinating movement and breath we can control the circulation of this steam.

If you don’t understand or don’t have the patience to read the classics maybe you can ask your grandmother to read it and explain for you? You seem to understand your grandmother very well, she must be happy.

[Doc Stier]

Regarding the yoga guy question, when one is completely able to physically and energetically relax, release, sink, center and root, they will be consistently capable of doing so in any and all postures, asanas, or forms without exception.

[johnwang]

There are 2 different ways to learn MA.

1. When you have reached to the high level, you will understand it.
2. If you do this simple drill/application, you will understand it.

IMO, 2 > 1. RSF discussion doesn't have to be abstract. It can be concrete too.

If you train this solo drill, you can develop Qi sinking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_DLQYs ... e=youtu.be

If you train this application, you can also develop Qi sinking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QhKy69 ... e=youtu.be