Bagua vs tactical walk

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Re: Bagua vs tactical walk

Postby johnwang on Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:13 pm

marvin8 wrote:Can you explain . . . while stepping/footwork (not technique)?

You don't need lean just for stepping. You may need lean to execute some techniques. But I assume we are talking about how to use stepping footwork to train some technique.

Again if you are talking about use stepping footwork to gain health, I'll agree with you 100% that health doesn't require leaning.
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Re: Bagua vs tactical walk

Postby Trick on Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:52 am

johnwang wrote:
edededed wrote: bagua tending to avoiding leaning, etc.

If you don't lean, you can't reach to your opponent's ankle.

When you grabbed that ankle do you want to stand up straight(er)and make your opponent lean so he eventually falls, does the opponent want to stand up straight(er)to get his grabbed foot back on the ground and regain his control of balance ? Yes in combat there are circumstances where one need to lean and where one don’t want to lean, either of the ways one alway want to be the one standing(straight)up.....This is also the goal in ShuaiJiao ?
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Re: Bagua vs tactical walk

Postby edededed on Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:05 am

johnwang wrote:
edededed wrote: bagua tending to avoiding leaning, etc.

If you don't lean, you can't reach to your opponent's ankle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXKHThq ... e=youtu.be


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Re: Bagua vs tactical walk

Postby johnwang on Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:06 pm

Trick wrote:When you grabbed that ankle do you want to stand up straight(er)and make your opponent lean so he eventually falls, does the opponent want to stand up straight(er)to get his grabbed foot back on the ground and regain his control of balance ? Yes in combat there are circumstances where one need to lean and where one don’t want to lean, either of the ways one alway want to be the one standing(straight)up.....This is also the goal in ShuaiJiao ?

This is why the "leg skill" is involved. You don't want to lean too much so you let your leg to do your hand's job. You can push your opponent's shoulder and use your leg to scoop his leg up.

PRO: You don't have to bend too low.
CON: You are standing on one leg.
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Re: Bagua vs tactical walk

Postby marvin8 on Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:32 pm

windwalker wrote:
Tom wrote:


the teacher in the clip is leaning....thoughts?

johnwang wrote:
windwalker wrote:the teacher in the clip is leaning....thoughts?

The easiest way to move is to take advantage on the gravity. In order to do so, the leaning is a must.

1. You move your center outside of your base.
2. The gravity will pull you into that direction.
3. You then re-adjust your base so your center will be in your base again.
4. Repeat 1 - 3.

If you don't lean (move your center outside of your base), you will only use your own energy to move. You will not use the "gravity" to move.

johnwang wrote:
marvin8 wrote:Can you explain . . . while stepping/footwork (not technique)?

You don't need lean just for stepping. You may need lean to execute some techniques. But I assume we are talking about how to use stepping footwork to train some technique.

We are talking about your reply to windwalker's question on the "BaGua Circle Walking" video, especially highlighted in red. You use the word "move" in your reply, not throw or technique. So, are you advising the man in the "BaGua Circle Walking" video (who is balanced, aligned and not leaning) should lean and "use the gravity to move?"

Your "dynamic rooting" video shows you repeating a throw with entry in a straight line from grappling range. However, it does not show the "stepping footwork" to enter safely from punching or kicking range, using angles, etc, as shown in the "BaGua Circle Walking" video.
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