Baguaquan strategy

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Baguaquan strategy

Postby Yeung on Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:08 am

The 36th strategy "走为上" - Run away to fight another day.
If it becomes obvious that your current course of action will lead to defeat then retreat and regroup. When your side is losing there are only three choices remaining: surrender, compromise, or escape. Surrender is complete defeat, compromise is half defeat, but escape is not defeat. As long as you are not defeated, you still have a chance.
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Re: Baguaquan strategy

Postby wiesiek on Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:29 am

This could be be 1st, as well :)
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Re: Baguaquan strategy

Postby BruceP on Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:08 pm

These discussions only cycle every five years or so.

https://rumsoakedfist.org/viewtopic.php ... 99#p279600


BruceP wrote:it depends on the situation and every one is different with a unique path to resolution

avoid - evade - escape

pre-empt - counter - respond

shuck and jive

passive forward pressure
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Re: Baguaquan strategy

Postby Trick on Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:35 pm

How about fight to the bitter end ? One might come down in the books as having been a very courageous dude
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Re: Baguaquan strategy

Postby Yeung on Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:06 am

BruceP wrote:These discussions only cycle every five years or so.

https://rumsoakedfist.org/viewtopic.php ... 99#p279600


BruceP wrote:it depends on the situation and every one is different with a unique path to resolution

avoid - evade - escape

pre-empt - counter - respond

shuck and jive

passive forward pressure

Thank you for the link and are you still hold on to your position of no unique strategy?

The strategy of Baguaquan is to confront the opponent in the blindside and run off in the blindside if there is no foreseeing opportunity to retaliate. This is why practitioners are trained in both sides, turning, and bigger steps, to pursue this strategy. The original design of Baguaquan is for gang fighting, and this is why it is does not waste time to entertain one opponent in a number of exchanges. It makes good sense in running off in the blindside to the back of the opponent as he or she needs to turn around and pursue further.
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Re: Baguaquan strategy

Postby AL2016 on Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:06 am

do you have video where can see bagua zhang really applied? thanks
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Re: Baguaquan strategy

Postby Bao on Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:18 am

The strategy of Baguaquan is to confront the opponent in the blindside and run off in the blindside if there is no foreseeing opportunity to retaliate. This is why practitioners are trained in both sides, turning, and bigger steps, to pursue this strategy. The original design of Baguaquan is for gang fighting, and this is why it is does not waste time to entertain one opponent in a number of exchanges. It makes good sense in running off in the blindside to the back of the opponent as he or she needs to turn around and pursue further.


oh my... this whole walking in circles again...

The idea is not to run around or running and zigzag between opponents. ...wrong, wrong, wrong.

It's the opponent that should turn around you, not you around him. The idea is to step in close, twist and turn to destroy his structure. Like trapping the opponent into moving gears.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdvEGPt4s0Y

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Re: Baguaquan strategy

Postby AL2016 on Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:20 am

DO YOU HAVE MASTER S VIDEO?
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Re: Baguaquan strategy

Postby Bao on Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:30 am

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Re: Baguaquan strategy

Postby cloudz on Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:57 am

I think the best demo against more than one person is still this one..

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Re: Baguaquan strategy

Postby Bao on Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:06 am

Not good to turn your back to your opponents and throw them everywhere.
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Re: Baguaquan strategy

Postby cloudz on Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:55 am

you make it sound like you can make all the choices you like.
but I very much doubt you could attempt to fight more than one person without that being quite a likely thing to happen at some point - turning your back.
regardless of how great you or anyone might be.

so to sum up; 1 vs. multiples you're still pretty fucked
I don't recall seeing a better demo from any nejia people
oh and yea, it's just a demo lol. killing moves are banned :D
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Re: Baguaquan strategy

Postby AL2016 on Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:55 am

Thé vidéo can not see thé principle because it s convinience thé pupils fall before beeing touched and dont really hit they stopp their hits
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Re: Baguaquan strategy

Postby cloudz on Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:08 am

I look forward to you making a great video of what you want to see then.......
every fuckers a critic :D
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Re: Baguaquan strategy

Postby Trick on Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:23 am

Yeung wrote:[
The original design of Baguaquan is for gang fighting, and this is why it is does not waste time to entertain one opponent in a number of exchanges. It makes good sense in running off in the blindside to the back of the opponent as he or she needs to turn around and pursue further.

Gang fighting ? In Aikido there are Randori(free style to a certain degree) practice against more than one opponent where main thing is to perfect ones taisabaki(whole body evasiveness) while always holding the upper hand position. Does Bagua practice this way too ? I’ve only seen Bagua players do single partner exercises.
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