Switching hand - not used in UFC

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Re: Switching hand - not used in UFC

Postby GrahamB on Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:20 am

Oh for god's sake.

It's MMA. MMA.

MMA!

M M FUCKING A!

UFC is a company.

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Re: Switching hand - not used in UFC

Postby windwalker on Sat Oct 13, 2018 5:27 pm

GrahamB wrote:Oh for god's sake.

It's MMA. MMA.

MMA!

M M FUCKING A!

UFC is a company.

Here endeth the lesson.


"UFC fighters began to morph into well-rounded, balanced fighters that could fight standing or on the floor.

This blend of fighting styles and skills became known as mixed martial arts (MMA). Today, the UFC is the premier organization in MMA and enforces the Unified Rules of Mixed Martial Arts without exception."

might want to go back to school, maybe a little history might help.
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Re: Switching hand - not used in UFC

Postby Steve James on Sat Oct 13, 2018 5:47 pm

K1 and Bellator, etc, are not "sports."
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Re: Switching hand - not used in UFC

Postby P. Li on Sat Oct 13, 2018 6:20 pm

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Re: Switching hand - not used in UFC

Postby Finny on Sat Oct 13, 2018 6:32 pm

G makes a perfectly fair point.

windwalker wrote:
"UFC fighters began to morph into well-rounded, balanced fighters that could fight standing or on the floor.

This blend of fighting styles and skills became known as mixed martial arts (MMA). Today, the UFC is the premier organization in MMA and enforces the Unified Rules of Mixed Martial Arts without exception."

might want to go back to school, maybe a little history might help.


I fail to see how your 'history' does anything other than support what he said.
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Re: Switching hand - not used in UFC

Postby Steve James on Sat Oct 13, 2018 6:38 pm

I thought it was "ultimate fighting championship." So, it could be argued that the sport is "ultimate fighting," or that the sport is called ultimate fighting. But, I don't know anyone who says he does ultimate fighting, though "supreme ultimate fist" would make a great name for a martial art.

Anyway, I think it's much better to call mma a sport than a martial art. What's in a name, though?
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Re: Switching hand - not used in UFC

Postby windwalker on Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:33 pm

Finny wrote:G makes a perfectly fair point.


I fail to see how your 'history' does anything other than support what he said.


Its a name applied to a sportive event that grew out of the UFC. It could be argued that what is called "mma"
has always been around in combative sportive events with the emphasis due to cultures on different things as needed.
to comment on this in this thread adds little value to the thread.


Sanda, free hit, or free hand

"Sanda was developed out of traditional Chinese martial arts and Lei Tai (“platform”) free boxing matches in the early 19th century for use by Chinese soldiers. Traditional kung fu and Lei Tai boxing were popular at the time, but also seen by military commanders as not particularly effective for hand to hand combat on the battlefield. The Sanda system grew out of Sanshou (free boxing) and included both striking and grappling techniques."


can be looked at in the same vain..
except to note that in CMA it was the traditional way of introducing and establishing new styles or proving old ones.

This was the common tradition of the past, and a way of keeping systems fresh and real. Its also the reason why when someone proclaims
they'er an x or y stylist it gets more attention then if they just said they where a person who's back ground included x or y style.

One of Wong's most popular tales is his return to Guangdong. In front of Hai Tung Monastery, Wong set up an elevated stage known as a leitai to accept challenges from any and all comers. Over the course of eighteen days, he defeated over one hundred and fifty challengers. "Either the challenger was maimed or killed," noted Chin. "He never let one challenger leave his school without injury.

http://www.kungfumagazine.com/magazine/ ... rticle=661


On the other hand a another noted master with a different way.

After Yang, Lu-chan finished his study, he returned to his hometown and taught taijiquan for a while. People called his style Yang Style (Yang Quan, 楊拳), Soft Style (Mian Quan, 綿拳), or Neutralizing Style, (Hua Quan,化拳) because his motions were soft and able to neutralize the opponent's power.

He later went to Beijing and taught a number of Qing officers. He used to carry a spear and a small bag and travel around the country, challenging well-known martial artists. Although he had many fights, he never hurt anybody.

https://legacy.ymaa.com/articles/histor ... -taijiquan

Or so they say. ;)


For some styles they've ceased to be practiced per their original design.
Dangerous for those practicing them who feel they are.

JW, asked a good question as to why are there are some movements or theories of combat not applied
or commonly seen in the modern sportive events.

MMA is something that grew out of the UFC that has become somewhat of a style unto itself.
Which is why it might not use some movements from CMA depending on back ground of the instructor / school teaching it.

There are noted CMA teaches updating / modifying their styles to address whats commonly
done and used in the ring.

An example of this David chin's group, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j3Fp3w ... e=youtu.be
and David Ross's group

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P28AxI3Es1w

both field and train fighters to fight in MMA.
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Re: Switching hand - not used in UFC

Postby marvin8 on Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:13 pm

windwalker wrote:For some styles they've ceased to be practiced per their original design.
Dangerous for those practicing them who feel they are.

JW, asked a good question as to why are there are some movements or theories of combat not applied
or commonly seen in the modern sportive events.

. . . which was answered:
.Q. wrote:. . . That said it's not impossible to pull off, but you'll need to modify what you're doing base on these factors. That means your solution may also not look recognizable from the original even though they're based off the same principals.
marvin8 wrote:It may "not be used in UFC" in that exact way because of the problems .Q. and Finny brought up (e.g., opponent moves, retracts his punch or block, doesn't block, etc.).


windwalker wrote:. . . There are noted CMA teaches updating / modifying their styles to address whats commonly
done and used in the ring.

An example of this David chin's group, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j3Fp3w ... e=youtu.be
and David Ross's group

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P28AxI3Es1w

both field and train fighters to fight in MMA.

Your link to David chin's group fighting videos does not show any trapping or other CMA techniques not already seen in the UFC—supporting .Q.'s and Finny's answers:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMQnwUpLCZI
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Re: Switching hand - not used in UFC

Postby Trick on Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:32 am

I hardly watch the UFC, find it boring and somewhat disturbed actually,......The video game store in the mall here show scenes from Tekken on a screen, that looks a little fun although :)
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