Principle of each neijia by video (Principe des neijia)

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Principle of each neijia by video (Principe des neijia)

Postby AL2016 on Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:22 pm

Here we can see some principle with no convenience of opponent. Ici nous voyons des principe des neijia.en vidéo sans connivence

Taichi
TRAP OF STRENGTH
* Empty power giving trap of strength
Force de vide . Piège de leurs de force

Chenzhiqiang vs wrestler (lutteur )
https://youtu.be/dTP16HPFMms

Chen zhiqiang avec des apprentis
https://youtu.be/rAicu-IPjMw

Taichi master
Vs judo
https://youtu.be/ZlhH0PAsaZI

Vrai judo ancien .real old judo
https://youtu.be/2YS-WF6nlA0

CHANGING THE AXE
* Weakening the axe. Changing the axe
Affaiblir et désaxer

Master Chen yu of Chen Taichi
https://youtu.be/Y1ex4zqk19s

Chenbing
https://youtu.be/SyEqefgkXcs

https://youtu.be/C9kFxPuRYSg

HOOKING AND FALI IN FIGHT
*Hooking and fali in fight . Crocheter et exploser en combat
Crocheter le bras et exploser la force

Taichi Chen with Chen xiang 4min38
https://youtu.be/IzhvvA5VKzM

Master wang xianjie yichuan
https://youtu.be/SOsA4BaByfw

HOOKING IN TUISHOU
*Hooking in tuishou . Accrocher dans tuishou

Master yao yichuan
https://youtu.be/h3zo9iD1ODo

Master guo yichuan
https://youtu.be/WQpgFPoMswc

USING THE WHOLE BODY TO HIT
*Using all the body as hiting .
utiliser tout le.corps dans la.frappe comme balle se plante

Master guo yichuan
https://youtu.be/rpK37Lsf7XI

Master cui yichuan thé punching bag doesnt move 1min50
https://youtu.be/S0DPw_rw73g
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Re: Principle of each neijia by video (Principe des neijia)

Postby windwalker on Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:42 pm

AL2016 wrote:Here we can see some principle with no convenience of opponent. Ici nous voyons des principe des neijia.en vidéo sans connivence

Taichi
TRAP OF STRENGTH
* Empty power giving trap of strength
Force de vide . Piège de leurs de force

Chenzhiqiang vs wrestler (lutteur )
https://youtu.be/dTP16HPFMms

Chen zhiqiang avec des apprentis
https://youtu.be/rAicu-IPjMw

Taichi master
Vs judo
https://youtu.be/ZlhH0PAsaZI

Vrai judo ancien .real old judo
https://youtu.be/2YS-WF6nlA0

CHANGING THE AXE
* Weakening the axe. Changing the axe
Affaiblir et désaxer

Master Chen yu of Chen Taichi
https://youtu.be/Y1ex4zqk19s

Chenbing
https://youtu.be/SyEqefgkXcs

https://youtu.be/C9kFxPuRYSg

HOOKING AND FALI IN FIGHT
*Hooking and fali in fight . Crocheter et exploser en combat
Crocheter le bras et exploser la force

Taichi Chen with Chen xiang 4min38
https://youtu.be/IzhvvA5VKzM

Master wang xianjie yichuan
https://youtu.be/SOsA4BaByfw

HOOKING IN TUISHOU
*Hooking in tuishou . Accrocher dans tuishou

Master yao yichuan
https://youtu.be/h3zo9iD1ODo

Master guo yichuan
https://youtu.be/WQpgFPoMswc

USING THE WHOLE BODY TO HIT
*Using all the body as hiting .
utiliser tout le.corps dans la.frappe comme balle se plante

Master guo yichuan
https://youtu.be/rpK37Lsf7XI

Master cui yichuan thé punching bag doesnt move 1min50
https://youtu.be/S0DPw_rw73g




a post posted from the above clip
"Clear demo of the footwork involved when on the periphery of the circle. Also nice to see the difference in quality between zthe student (solid footwork) and the master (fluid footwork) while doing the same exercise.

In wonder when the first western boxers will pick up on this.

Yiquan and western boxing should make for a lot of nasty surprises in the ring.

Respect & THX for posting."


mmm.

In wonder when the first western boxers will pick up on this.


maybe when its shown by those advocating it, in the ring....

On the other hand..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnG7PWGrx20

there are clear examples of principles being put to use with no excuses of why it didn't work
or having to use other examples to show it ...


THERE ARE FOUR WAYS OF SETTING THE BODY-WEIGHT IN MOTION FOR PUNCHING: (1) falling forward; (2) springing forward; (3) whirling the shoulders by means of the powerful back muscles, assisted by shifting weight from one leg to the other, and (4) by surging upward, as in delivering uppercuts. Every punch combines at least two of those motion-methods.

Best of all the punches is the "stepping straight jolt," delivered with either fist from the "falling step." It has fall, spring and whirl.
That stepping jolt must not be confused with the "ordinary straight punch" that is delivered at medium range without moving the feet, and that depends almost entirely on shoulder whirl. The stepping jolt is a much more explosive blow.

Hooks and uppercuts are short-range blows that can be just as explosive as stepping jolts. However, the hooks and uppercuts are less desirable for fist-fighting, in which one tries to keep at long range as much as possible in order to avoid clinching and wrestling.

How does a fighter set his weight in motion by a fall?


https://zanshinkai.files.wordpress.com/ ... jdbook.pdf
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Re: Principle of each neijia by video (Principe des neijia)

Postby AL2016 on Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:28 am

Thanks if you have other vidéo

About bagua zhang or xing yi principle

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Re: Principle of each neijia by video (Principe des neijia)

Postby MaartenSFS on Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:54 am

What do you chaps with a lot of wrestling experience think about this video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlhH0PA ... e=youtu.be
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Re: Principle of each neijia by video (Principe des neijia)

Postby everything on Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:05 am

only a little experience, but this video is kind of putting us on isn't it. it's obvious the young guy is taking it super, super, super, super easy. that said, it doesn't mean the old guy doesn't have any usable skill or wouldn't be able to show something interesting in some other video. push hands is really useful to help with judo play.
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Re: Principle of each neijia by video (Principe des neijia)

Postby AL2016 on Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:11 am

Yes this vidéo is intersting
I put it in my thread
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Re: Principle of each neijia by video (Principe des neijia)

Postby MaartenSFS on Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:51 pm

That's the way I feel about it. Very similar to that God of Judo video.
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Re: Principle of each neijia by video (Principe des neijia)

Postby johnwang on Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:13 pm

MaartenSFS wrote:What do you chaps with a lot of wrestling experience think about this video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlhH0PA ... e=youtu.be

The Taiji guy

- has no throwing skill.
- only play defense and has no offense.
- doesn't know how to change grips according to opponent's grip changing.

The Taiji guy tries to wait for his opponent to make mistake. He can't win that way.
I'm still allergy to "push".
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Re: Principle of each neijia by video (Principe des neijia)

Postby MaartenSFS on Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:18 pm

I don't disagree with any of that, though, to be fair, he wasn't really trying to throw his opponent.

What do you think of the Judo video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bamRklL_0r4&t=3s

What do you think about Chen Ziqiang and Chen Bing's wrestling skills?
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Re: Principle of each neijia by video (Principe des neijia)

Postby MaartenSFS on Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:25 pm

windwalker wrote:
AL2016 wrote:Here we can see some principle with no convenience of opponent. Ici nous voyons des principe des neijia.en vidéo sans connivence

Taichi
TRAP OF STRENGTH
* Empty power giving trap of strength
Force de vide . Piège de leurs de force

Chenzhiqiang vs wrestler (lutteur )
https://youtu.be/dTP16HPFMms

Chen zhiqiang avec des apprentis
https://youtu.be/rAicu-IPjMw

Taichi master
Vs judo
https://youtu.be/ZlhH0PAsaZI

Vrai judo ancien .real old judo
https://youtu.be/2YS-WF6nlA0

CHANGING THE AXE
* Weakening the axe. Changing the axe
Affaiblir et désaxer

Master Chen yu of Chen Taichi
https://youtu.be/Y1ex4zqk19s

Chenbing
https://youtu.be/SyEqefgkXcs

https://youtu.be/C9kFxPuRYSg

HOOKING AND FALI IN FIGHT
*Hooking and fali in fight . Crocheter et exploser en combat
Crocheter le bras et exploser la force

Taichi Chen with Chen xiang 4min38
https://youtu.be/IzhvvA5VKzM

Master wang xianjie yichuan
https://youtu.be/SOsA4BaByfw

HOOKING IN TUISHOU
*Hooking in tuishou . Accrocher dans tuishou

Master yao yichuan
https://youtu.be/h3zo9iD1ODo

Master guo yichuan
https://youtu.be/WQpgFPoMswc

USING THE WHOLE BODY TO HIT
*Using all the body as hiting .
utiliser tout le.corps dans la.frappe comme balle se plante

Master guo yichuan
https://youtu.be/rpK37Lsf7XI

Master cui yichuan thé punching bag doesnt move 1min50
https://youtu.be/S0DPw_rw73g




a post posted from the above clip
"Clear demo of the footwork involved when on the periphery of the circle. Also nice to see the difference in quality between zthe student (solid footwork) and the master (fluid footwork) while doing the same exercise.

In wonder when the first western boxers will pick up on this.

Yiquan and western boxing should make for a lot of nasty surprises in the ring.

Respect & THX for posting."


mmm.

In wonder when the first western boxers will pick up on this.


maybe when its shown by those advocating it, in the ring....

On the other hand..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnG7PWGrx20

there are clear examples of principles being put to use with no excuses of why it didn't work
or having to use other examples to show it ...


THERE ARE FOUR WAYS OF SETTING THE BODY-WEIGHT IN MOTION FOR PUNCHING: (1) falling forward; (2) springing forward; (3) whirling the shoulders by means of the powerful back muscles, assisted by shifting weight from one leg to the other, and (4) by surging upward, as in delivering uppercuts. Every punch combines at least two of those motion-methods.

Best of all the punches is the "stepping straight jolt," delivered with either fist from the "falling step." It has fall, spring and whirl.
That stepping jolt must not be confused with the "ordinary straight punch" that is delivered at medium range without moving the feet, and that depends almost entirely on shoulder whirl. The stepping jolt is a much more explosive blow.

Hooks and uppercuts are short-range blows that can be just as explosive as stepping jolts. However, the hooks and uppercuts are less desirable for fist-fighting, in which one tries to keep at long range as much as possible in order to avoid clinching and wrestling.

How does a fighter set his weight in motion by a fall?


https://zanshinkai.files.wordpress.com/ ... jdbook.pdf

That Jack Dempsey video was great. Had a lot of similarities to what we do. The zigzag footwork with a strike for each step is exactly as I use it and the last technique is like a Baiquan using Shuaibeijin. Great stuff. I see more CMA in that than in most of these videos, honestly.
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Re: Principle of each neijia by video (Principe des neijia)

Postby johnwang on Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:46 pm

MaartenSFS wrote:I don't disagree with any of that, though, to be fair, he wasn't really trying to throw his opponent.

What do you think of the Judo video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bamRklL_0r4&t=3s

What do you think about Chen Ziqiang and Chen Bing's wrestling skills?

The old man skill is good. He knows how to borrow his opponent's force and apply proper counters.

IMO, Chen Taiji style of wrestling is too conservative. To create opportunity is better than to wait for opportunity. I don't like the wrestling style that we both have grips on each other. I wait for you to make mistake, and you wait for me to make mistake. I like to tear apart my opponent grips and then attack. The Chen Taiji guys don't do that.

Here are some example of 撕(Si) - Tearing". The style of tearing can separate SC from Judo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SlMnaW ... e=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4YQEVf ... e=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g47pfKr ... e=youtu.be
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Re: Principle of each neijia by video (Principe des neijia)

Postby AL2016 on Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:25 pm

John wang

But i think it s taichi principle (Yang or chen) to wait not attack

Yichuan attack very much more
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Re: Principle of each neijia by video (Principe des neijia)

Postby johnwang on Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:41 pm

AL2016 wrote:John wang

But i think it s taichi principle (Yang or chen) to wait not attack

Yichuan attack very much more

If you don't attack first, you will never learn "how to create opportunity" such as to use:

- pull to set up push.
- push to set up pull.
- clockwise twisting to set up counter-clockwise twisting.
- counter-clockwise twisting to set up clockwise twisting.
- attack high to set up attack low.
- attack low to set up attack high.
- attack right to set up attack left.
- attack left to set up attack right.
- circular attack to set up linear attack.
- linear attack to set up circular attack.
- ...

You will miss many valuable training if you let Taiji conservative attitude to put restriction on yourself.
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Re: Principle of each neijia by video (Principe des neijia)

Postby AL2016 on Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:30 pm

Yes it s attacking to make the other begining to give force or it s attack for attack?

You have vidéo about your list of attack explaining what it means ?

I think chen family s master know all this dont they?

Thanks
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Re: Principle of each neijia by video (Principe des neijia)

Postby johnwang on Sun Oct 21, 2018 1:01 am

AL2016 wrote:Yes it s attacking to make the other begining to give force or it s attack for attack?

You have vidéo about your list of attack explaining what it means ?

I think chen family s master know all this dont they?

Thanks

Many principles can be seen in this clip.

- Use pull to set up push.
- Use circular attack to set up linear attack.
- Give before take.
- Borrow force.
- If solo attack doesn't work, use combo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qrl1S5t ... e=youtu.be
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