MaartenSFS wrote:Uh... He talks about the Bengquan, but doesn't do one. I really don't understand how this contributes to your argument at all. I don't even like the little skip. It looks unbalanced. There should be no vertical movement.
Yeung wrote:can members of this forum make some suggestion on the translations for Shun Bu 顺步 and Ao Bu 拗步.
MaartenSFS wrote:
Yet you post this, which is virtually identical to my Bengquan, even the power generation, it looks to be. The only difference is that my step is diagonally forward to the left and my left hand and arm kick of knock whatever they decide to throw out of the way, but my punch is still straight forward. You probably should have stopped posting after this.
MaartenSFS wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AltIpYAwx8k
This, however, is not the same thing and not nearly as powerful.
MaartenSFS wrote:Here are two Shunbu Bengquan that look good. The power is a bit different than mine. Mine have a bit of Doujin.
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjE4ODIyMTc2.html
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNzk3MTQxMDg=.html (In this one he starts to lose it towards the end)
This looks more like mine:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzg4ODAwNDU4MA==.html
MaartenSFS wrote:Here are two Shunbu Bengquan that look good. The power is a bit different than mine. Mine have a bit of Doujin.
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjE4ODIyMTc2.html
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNzk3MTQxMDg=.html (In this one he starts to lose it towards the end)
This looks more like mine:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzg4ODAwNDU4MA==.html
marvin8 wrote:MaartenSFS wrote:Uh... He talks about the Bengquan, but doesn't do one. I really don't understand how this contributes to your argument at all. I don't even like the little skip. It looks unbalanced. There should be no vertical movement.
No. The video's purpose was to give Yeung another "translation" for shun:Yeung wrote:can members of this forum make some suggestion on the translations for Shun Bu 顺步 and Ao Bu 拗步.MaartenSFS wrote:
Yet you post this, which is virtually identical to my Bengquan, even the power generation, it looks to be. The only difference is that my step is diagonally forward to the left and my left hand and arm kick of knock whatever they decide to throw out of the way, but my punch is still straight forward. You probably should have stopped posting after this.
It's not "Bengquan." Because, the front foot lands first, then the punch is completed..
Don't understand about "should have stopped posting." I did not nor was I addressing your post. I am not really interested in replying to people that only make statements/positions without any explanation. You may be reading more into my posts than there is.
Mine isn't as much an "argument" as here's what studies say about straight punch power. Open to opposing views. If you want to argue the studies, change the way MLB and NFL throws , feel welcome. But, rather hear explanations than just stating a position.MaartenSFS wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AltIpYAwx8k
This, however, is not the same thing and not nearly as powerful.
It is the same in that, the foot lands first, then the strike is completed. I agree, not that powerful. The main point from that post is there are studies on CIMA and the kinetic chain from Taiwan.MaartenSFS wrote:Here are two Shunbu Bengquan that look good. The power is a bit different than mine. Mine have a bit of Doujin.
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjE4ODIyMTc2.html
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNzk3MTQxMDg=.html (In this one he starts to lose it towards the end)
This looks more like mine:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzg4ODAwNDU4MA==.html
Yes, beng quan.
Boxing does both: land foot and punch at the same time and the kinetic chain. It just depends on the situation/goal (e.g., speed, power, etc.).
MaartenSFS wrote:marvin8 wrote:MaartenSFS wrote:Uh... He talks about the Bengquan, but doesn't do one. I really don't understand how this contributes to your argument at all. I don't even like the little skip. It looks unbalanced. There should be no vertical movement.
No. The video's purpose was to give Yeung another "translation" for shun:Yeung wrote:can members of this forum make some suggestion on the translations for Shun Bu 顺步 and Ao Bu 拗步.MaartenSFS wrote:
Yet you post this, which is virtually identical to my Bengquan, even the power generation, it looks to be. The only difference is that my step is diagonally forward to the left and my left hand and arm kick of knock whatever they decide to throw out of the way, but my punch is still straight forward. You probably should have stopped posting after this.
It's not "Bengquan." Because, the front foot lands first, then the punch is completed..
Don't understand about "should have stopped posting." I did not nor was I addressing your post. I am not really interested in replying to people that only make statements/positions without any explanation. You may be reading more into my posts than there is.
Mine isn't as much an "argument" as here's what studies say about straight punch power. Open to opposing views. If you want to argue the studies, change the way MLB and NFL throws , feel welcome. But, rather hear explanations than just stating a position.MaartenSFS wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AltIpYAwx8k
This, however, is not the same thing and not nearly as powerful.
It is the same in that, the foot lands first, then the strike is completed. I agree, not that powerful. The main point from that post is there are studies on CIMA and the kinetic chain from Taiwan.MaartenSFS wrote:Here are two Shunbu Bengquan that look good. The power is a bit different than mine. Mine have a bit of Doujin.
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjE4ODIyMTc2.html
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNzk3MTQxMDg=.html (In this one he starts to lose it towards the end)
This looks more like mine:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzg4ODAwNDU4MA==.html
Yes, beng quan.
Boxing does both: land foot and punch at the same time and the kinetic chain. It just depends on the situation/goal (e.g., speed, power, etc.).
There are many variations to Bengquan with different footwork and other details. Each master has their own style.
marvin8 wrote:MaartenSFS wrote:
Yet you post this, which is virtually identical to my Bengquan, even the power generation, it looks to be. The only difference is that my step is diagonally forward to the left and my left hand and arm kick of knock whatever they decide to throw out of the way, but my punch is still straight forward. You probably should have stopped posting after this.
It's not "Bengquan." Because, the front foot lands first, then the punch is completed.
MaartenSFS wrote:Here are two Shunbu Bengquan that look good. The power is a bit different than mine. Mine have a bit of Doujin.
. . . This looks more like mine:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzg4ODAwNDU4MA==.html
MaartenSFS wrote:That's really difficult to say.. It depends on whether they do any other training besides hitting air..
MaartenSFS wrote:I explained it fairly well. The angle is more like the latter video and the power looks like when I punch in the air. The footwork for Tyson's punch is the same as mine, except for the angle and the power appears to be the same or quite similar. I have met some Xingyi masters that have a crazy Doujin going on that I cancan't even begin to explain. Same with XYLHQ.
MaartenSFS wrote:Here are two Shunbu Bengquan that look good. The power is a bit different than mine. Mine have a bit of Doujin.
. . . This looks more like mine:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzg4ODAwNDU4MA==.html
MaartenSFS wrote:My punch arrives at its destination just as my rear foot advances (after my left foot already landed), regardless of whether I strike with my lead or rear fist. When it's my lead fist I also pivot my front foot back and forth a little as my waist turns to add power, which happens between when my left foot lands and my right foot advances.
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