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Wei Lei (taiji guy) lost again

PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:50 pm
by nicklinjm
Think most people on this board probably remember the fight last year where Wei Lei (supposedly a long-time Yang style taiji teacher from Sichuan) was KO'ed by Xu Xiaodong in 20 seconds.

The same guy - Wei Lei - has just had another Leitai match, losing again to a middle-aged actor / amateur martial artist called Wang Zhiliang. Wang Zhiliang had previously won a series of Wulinfeng, but he is over 50 years old and a bit overweight - pretty embarassing for Wei Lei I think.

No links in English yet, Chinese link below:


Re: Wei Lei (taiji guy) lost again

PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:04 pm
by oragami_itto
But I mean isn't this Wei Lei guy the one that was rolling watermelons around on the floor to get the insides all loose then slapping the outside and cutting it open to prove he had some kind of penetrating power? I mean to say isn't he a known fraud?

Re: Wei Lei (taiji guy) lost again

PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:38 pm
by marvin8

Re: Wei Lei (taiji guy) lost again

PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:19 pm
by Steve James
He did okay, The other guy outweighs him by several pounds and has a lot of reach on him. Of course, it's easy to critique their technique from the peanut gallery. But, if he keeps at it, he'll get better.

Re: Wei Lei (taiji guy) lost again

PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:09 pm
by Trick
Didn’t he took up MMA after his first loss?

Re: Wei Lei (taiji guy) lost again

PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:18 pm
by MaartenSFS
No, he did not do okay. It was pathetic from both sides any way you look at it. It's unacceptible because he claimed to be a master of Taijiquan when he clearly isn't even worthy of being called a novice practitioner.

Re: Wei Lei (taiji guy) lost again

PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:33 pm
by oragami_itto
Hey man he's got silk pajamas AND disciples, what more do you need?

Re: Wei Lei (taiji guy) lost again

PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:30 pm
by Peacedog
I give the guy credit for trying.

If anything is going to save the IMAs, it's going to be demonstrating that they are at least capable of holding their own.

Re: Wei Lei (taiji guy) lost again

PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:41 pm
by marvin8
Peacedog wrote:I give the guy credit for trying.

If anything is going to save the IMAs, it's going to be demonstrating that they are at least capable of holding their own.

Yes but, is he cheating by training kickboxing? :)

https://rumsoakedfist.org/viewtopic.php ... e429c4328a:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REdMGJhyfw8

Re: Wei Lei (taiji guy) lost again

PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:11 pm
by Steve James
Peacedog wrote:I give the guy credit for trying.

If anything is going to save the IMAs, it's going to be demonstrating that they are at least capable of holding their own.


+1

Not sure it needs saving, but talking about it ain't gonna do it.

Re: Wei Lei (taiji guy) lost again

PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:20 pm
by Steve James
Yes but, is he cheating by training kickboxing? :)


Imo, most of those who became great at ima were already good at fighting. That or they learned from someone who prepared them for those who could fight.

In practical terms, that means/t losing and getting beaten a lot. The experience is invaluable, and can be the best motivation to improve.

Re: Wei Lei (taiji guy) lost again

PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:03 pm
by oragami_itto
Peacedog wrote:I give the guy credit for trying.

If anything is going to save the IMAs, it's going to be demonstrating that they are at least capable of holding their own.


I will give him that, he's at least putting himself out there in the public on film for the world to see him win or lose and that takes some gumption.

I just don't think this guy is who's gonna save the IMAs, if they indeed need saving to begin with. I mean there's always Jake Mace out there reppin the brand.

This guy, and I may be completely incorrect, and if I am, I will apologize and retract my statement, but this guy I'm pretty sure is a legit fraud in that he has straight up knowingly fraudulent demonstrations of his ability, and got into the fight that "Threw The Legitimacy Of Traditional Chinese Martial Arts Into Question", by running his mouth off on an internet forum, and since having had his ass handed to him has simply cross-trained in mixed martial arts to prepare for his second loss.

Like I said if I am wrong I'll eat my words willingly. Any respect he's gaining by putting himself out there is leavened by his fraud and loud mouth and well-now-hes-gotta-mend-his-rice-bowl.

Re: Wei Lei (taiji guy) lost again

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:19 am
by Steve James
Imo, the "taichi" guys who fight and lose or look bad aren't fake. The guys who've never fought and lost and then make claims about their art are fake.

I understand that presenting oneself as a master is always exaggerated. I think people generally assume that a master can't be beaten, especially by someone who isn't claiming to be a master. But, if the guy gets out there to prove that he is a master and loses, so what? Masters can lose. Well, if they ever fight.

Re: Wei Lei (taiji guy) lost again

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:50 am
by oragami_itto
Yeah it's definitely the same guy though. He was in a documentary. He doctored a watermelon to make it look like his "internal power" rotted it with a touch, and taped a bird to his hand to keep it from flying away to recreate the classic stunt. Discussed about halfway down this article.

http://www.newschinamag.com/newschina/p ... zine_id=20

This guy is a real deal fake. He knowingly and willingly performs fraudulent demos to give the appearance of skills he does not possess. His problem is he started believing his own bullshit and caught a beating for it.

Here's a thread discussing the documentary series I'm referring to
https://rumsoakedfist.org/viewtopic.php ... 3b995b72b3

Re: Wei Lei (taiji guy) lost again

PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:04 pm
by yeniseri
Wei Lei appears to not have the jibengong (physical conditioning) call it aerobic stamina, etc so he and others like him who lack this will always be at a disadvantage.
All the time, this qi/chi stuff, is a killah but again if the condition of blood is enhanced through the activities we do (as in oxygen carrying capacity of blood) then qi will be of the "same character".

QI follows blood ;D