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Assume you just train one technique for the next 2 years such as "a kick to the knee followed by a punch to the face". If you repeat this combo 2,000 times daily with your partner (about 2 hours), in 2 years you have repeated this 2 x 365 x 2000 = 1,460,000 times.

After you have drilled this move almost 1.5 million times, when you use it against your opponent, your successful rate should be high. IMO, it's worthwhile to spend 2 years of your life time to develop some dependable MA skill so you can use it for the rest of your life.

What's your opinion on this?

Time invested vs return, or how many times in the next 2 years do I need to kick someone in the knee and punch them in the face. Compared to spending the same, or less time, practicing skills that I can use every day.
I don't feel the need to be so specific

You need to make sure your tech can diffuse any type of attack.

Guo Yunsheng was reknowned for his Beng.
But his Beng was actually not famous before his imprisonment.
He actually kill the mafia boss with sword, this means his sword tech was excellent.

Unlike Shang Yunxiang whose Beng is straight line. Guo is 之 shape

Can you diffuse Thai round house kick with Beng, knee with Beng, boxing with Beng,
teep with Beng? It’s a matter of trial and error.

Then we have 半步崩拳打天下～

Hmm, one technique that is allowed to be a combo of more ?………I’ll do Pi-quan……

Sure, grasp sparrows tail

I was taught that I should be able to do any technique I'd use 100 times in a row. Or, more specifically, that I should only use techniques that I could do 100 times in a row. If that meant a front kick, that was the standard. That might mean that my favorite technique was a left front kick, especially if there were a reason I couldn't use my right.

However, just having a lethal left front kick --even if I could do it 1,000 times in a row-- wouldn't be enough. There's always the other guy, and I may also need to defend against something he's practiced 1,000 times, including destroying a left front kick.

That said, it's always good to have a "Go to" technique that one can do at any time from any angle that just works.

I don't think that that is a good idea at all. What about training all of the different footwork, against different attacks, and all of the other conditioning and strength training that is needed to make this stuff work??? I believe in keeping things simple and getting good at a small core subset of techniques, but what you're suggesting is, to me, not much different than Aikido or Taekwondo...

A hidden advantage of drilling one technique intensively is that if you need to defend yourself, you already know what you are going to try first. That speeds your reaction time by pruning off the initial branches of the decision tree.

I'll go with Bengquan.

"The simpler the movement, the more advanced skills can be developed."
- Li Yulin (Disciple of Sun Lutang, Grandfather to Li Deyin)

Overlord wrote:

Unlike Shang Yunxiang whose Beng is straight line. Guo is 之 shape


Then we have 半步崩拳打天下～

Interesting observation, and have you got a reference to it?

Yeung wrote:

Overlord wrote:

Unlike Shang Yunxiang whose Beng is straight line. Guo is 之 shape
Then we have 半步崩拳打天下～

Interesting observation, and have you got a reference to it?

I am no scholar. This knowledge is passed orally by my teacher.
You don’t have to take it seriously. No reference.
For a pragmatic purpose, it’s better to work on our Beng, and test it.
Personally prefer Chicken Beng.

being straight, ie vertical alignment
understanding what it means
and how to use it.

MaartenSFS wrote: What about training all of the different footwork, against different attacks, and all of the other conditioning and strength training that is needed to make this stuff work??? I believe in keeping things simple and getting good at a small core subset of techniques, ..

That’s why I chose Pi-quan since it’s also done in Dragon-form and Bear-Eagle form. It contain all the elements. If I do it more on the horizontal plane with clenched fists then there’s Beng-quan with either twist step or lead step, this practice I really like to experiment with. Or I go into the Tongbeiquan Pi mood it works very much on the vertical plane. I like how what I learned in Tongbeiquan and XYQ, how it merge together. Simple but yet profound

johnwang wrote:Assume you just train one technique for the next 2 years such as "a kick to the knee followed by a punch to the face". If you repeat this combo 2,000 times daily with your partner (about 2 hours), in 2 years you have repeated this 2 x 365 x 2000 = 1,460,000 times.

After you have drilled this move almost 1.5 million times, when you use it against your opponent, your successful rate should be high. IMO, it's worthwhile to spend 2 years of your life time to develop some dependable MA skill so you can use it for the rest of your life.

What's your opinion on this?

Very simple: Do it and test it

If you can develop 1 bread and butter move (door guarding skill) within 2 years time, in 10 years, you can develop 5 bread and butter moves. How many bread and butter moves will you need through your life time?

The MA skill development can be as simple as to add 1 tool into your toolbox at any particular time.

You may have many soldiers but you need just few generals. IMO, you will need at least 2 generals (such as knee kick and face punch). If your opponent's

- leg is close to you, you attack his leg.
- head is close to you, you attack his head.