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Re: What if you just train one technique for the next 2 years?

PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:09 am
by AJG
I like Pi Chuan too because when you know how to do it it feels good and has power.
Then again people said the chopping motions suit me

Re: What if you just train one technique for the next 2 years?

PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:01 am
by Trick
Yes Pi-quan has all Xingyi in it. But to understand that I guess one has to have practiced all the other shapes of Xingyi

Re: What if you just train one technique for the next 2 years?

PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:48 am
by Bao
Trick wrote:Yes Pi-quan has all Xingyi in it. But to understand that I guess one has to have practiced all the other shapes of Xingyi


Don’t know about that really. I understand all of the fick fists, but personally I’ve always been struggling to be able to express a good Jing with Pi. The one I’ve found most easy is Pao. But I still like Taiji Jin better than XY. The XY body method is too strict for my own taste, Taiji mechanics are more intuitive.

Re: What if you just train one technique for the next 2 years?

PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:55 am
by cloudz
I'm struggling to think of a bigger waste of time to be honest.

Re: What if you just train one technique for the next 2 years?

PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:56 am
by oragami_itto
cloudz wrote:I'm struggling to think of a bigger waste of time to be honest.

You're soaking in it!
:D

Re: What if you just train one technique for the next 2 years?

PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:53 pm
by Storm
In Jigen Ryu Kenjutsu they were suppose to strike a tree with their wooden sword several thousand times a day. As I read their first attack was devastating.and often no second one was needed.
Also thought about such a training and I think it would be a nice try. Why know 50 bad techniques if 2-3 good ones would do the job?

Re: What if you just train one technique for the next 2 years?

PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:31 pm
by Wanderingdragon
Funny, the reason people have fallen for the fallacy of mixed martial art, is because we don’t realize our form is one technique, not the technique in the form. If anyone learned their art they would realize this. Instead every one is chasing the best techniques.

Re: What if you just train one technique for the next 2 years?

PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:38 pm
by marvin8
johnwang wrote:Assume you just train one technique for the next 2 years such as "a kick to the knee followed by a punch to the face". If you repeat this combo 2,000 times daily with your partner (about 2 hours), in 2 years you have repeated this 2 x 365 x 2000 = 1,460,000 times.

After you have drilled this move almost 1.5 million times, when you use it against your opponent, your successful rate should be high. IMO, it's worthwhile to spend 2 years of your life time to develop some dependable MA skill so you can use it for the rest of your life.

What's your opinion on this?

Not good. One should train principles/concepts not a "technique."

Re: What if you just train one technique for the next 2 years?

PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:06 pm
by Wanderingdragon
In that scenario John, you have only trained to be predictable with no idea of the change that may be necessary. If the initial kick is unsuccessful, then the punch to the face is non existent.

Re: What if you just train one technique for the next 2 years?

PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:50 am
by Trick
Bao wrote:
Trick wrote:Yes Pi-quan has all Xingyi in it. But to understand that I guess one has to have practiced all the other shapes of Xingyi


Don’t know about that really. I understand all of the fick fists, but personally I’ve always been struggling to be able to express a good Jing with Pi. The one I’ve found most easy is Pao. But I still like Taiji Jin better than XY. The XY body method is too strict for my own taste, Taiji mechanics are more intuitive.

My road was long(but I’m never in a hurry anyway), I only began to get a good feel with the elements fists after drilling the animal forms and learning stuff from Tongbeiquan, same with Taijiquan in wich TBQ was at help. That’s how I am, I often need to take some roundabouts before getting to grasp what I’m pursuing. 8-)

Re: What if you just train one technique for the next 2 years?

PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:32 pm
by johnwang
That single technique that you have developed in 2 years will be the trunk of a MA tree that you try to grow. For any technique that you have developed, you may find many different ways to

- set it up (tree root),
- finish (tree leafs).
- set up your next technique (tree branches).

Your tree will start to grow. Why take 2 years? Because you want to have a strong tree trunk. You may grow many trees through your life time.

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Re: What if you just train one technique for the next 2 years?

PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:16 pm
by Jarek
I'd say it's a process. Follow the traditional curriculum, learn and grind the basics, study the technical material, find what fits you most and focus on it but incorporate everything else into it - in fact it _is_ there already. "Everything" else comes out of the trunk, because the trunk has the DNA of all the material you have studied.

Re: What if you just train one technique for the next 2 years?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:53 pm
by Yeung
Overlord wrote:
Yeung wrote:
Overlord wrote:

Unlike Shang Yunxiang whose Beng is straight line. Guo is 之 shape
Then we have 半步崩拳打天下~


Interesting observation, and have you got a reference to it?


I am no scholar. This knowledge is passed orally by my teacher.
You don’t have to take it seriously. No reference.
For a pragmatic purpose, it’s better to work on our Beng, and test it.
Personally prefer Chicken Beng.


Thank you, and by chicken beng do you mean 金鸡食米 (golden chicken eats rice)?

Re: What if you just train one technique for the next 2 years?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:47 pm
by windwalker
johnwang wrote:That single technique that you have developed in 2 years will be the trunk of a MA tree that you try to grow. For any technique that you have developed, you may find many different ways to

- set it up (tree root),
- finish (tree leafs).
- set up your next technique (tree branches).

Your tree will start to grow. Why take 2 years? Because you want to have a strong tree trunk. You may grow many trees through your life time.


What JW mentions is very traditional


CHAPTER 10 Functioning
Everything takes its own particular form before it can function. The function of a thing is intangible, but the effect
produced is there. Function arises out of form; therefore, the intangible function is the servant of the form, which
is concrete.

A wheel one foot in diameter can cover thousands of miles; this is form in function [i.e. the
functioning of form]. Those who are skillful in making use of function do not find the effect in form (but in the
function itself). . The Way is great and extensive, and cannot be traced. It is like tasting honey which does not
have the qualities of the hundred flowers, but has the taste of the hundred flowers.

The difference is that it has undergone the process of change and assimilation.

Although it is from a form (the flowers), it does not take the resemblance of the form that produces it.

This is called taking in the raw basic material and spewing out the
refined.

http://www.baihepai.com/pak-hok-pai-lio ... -siu-jong/

Re: What if you just train one technique for the next 2 years?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:25 pm
by johnwang
Jarek wrote:"Everything" else comes out of the trunk, because the trunk has the DNA of all the material you have studied.

Not sure I understand your point. Could you provide more detail on this? Let's use the "left front kick" (trunk) as an example. If you opponent blocks

1. to your right, you will spin to your right and combine with a right spin back fist (branch 1).
2. to your left, you will spin to your left and combine with a right palm strike to the neck (branch 2).
3. downward, you will step in and combine with a left straight punch to the face (branch 3).
4. upward, you will ...

How can spin back fist, palm strike, and straight punch have the DNA of the front kick?