the rum soaked fist: internal martial arts forum

Appledog wrote:

oragami_itto wrote:I don't disagree with any of that at all.

Thanks. it does bother me however that my explanation didn't end the thread.Trip touched on what I meant to say; that double-weightedness is really just a straw-man argument. When people are double weighted in the practice of taijiquan, their form is simply wrong, i.e. from the basic outset, their teacher didn't know how to teach them, or maybe they are a bad student. Thinking about the problem I cannot understand how a student can remain double weighted and still have practiced taiji a lot. I mean, nobody is perfect, but not to understand the concept seems almost insane to me, if someone has been practicing properly for a number of years.

I mean one of the first things I said is "the opposite of double weightedness is good taijiquan". Do good taijiquan and you won't be double weighted. Unless somebody puts you in a dw position.

The quite keeps coming up though, that "when someone practices for a number of years and still ain't got shit, they probably have a problem with double weighting". I paraphrase.

So it's important, but yeah we have talked it into the ground.

Is this double weighted?

johnwang wrote:Is this double weighted?

I don't know, what do you think?

oragami_itto wrote:I don't know, what do you think?

You twist your opponent's

- upper body clockwise (to his right).
- leg counter-clockwise (to his left),

so he can't change.

johnwang wrote:

oragami_itto wrote:I don't know, what do you think?

You twist your opponent's

- upper body clockwise (to his right).
- leg counter-clockwise (to his left),

so he can't change.

So yeah, I'd call the fall guy there double weighted when caught in the technique. He's got no power to resist the throw

Now we find one good example about putting your opponent in double weighted.

In order to prevent this from happening, you should not allow your opponent to control your leading leg and back arm at the same time. Will it be more interested to discuss how to prevent your opponent from putting you into double weighted than just to discuss the double weighted itself?

In RSF, we talk too much theory. We don't talk about enough application.

For me the theory is the technique. Getting bogged down in specific single situations is a bit limiting imho. What do you do when faced with a situation that you haven't been provided a technique to address?

Instead of learning specific situations and responses by rote, the theory/principle approach allows spontaneous responses to whatever situation presents itself.

To break that throw down by the principle, you first trap the right (Yang) leg, the top right front is also Yang, which means the back is yin, you attack the back by pulling, which causes resistance, changing back to Yang and front to Yin. This requires the front foot to also change to Yin but it's locked in Yang, so becomes a fulcrum, and any opposing Force he generates just helps you take him down.

johnwang wrote:Now we find one good example about putting your opponent in double weighted.

In order to prevent this from happening, you should not allow your opponent to control your leading leg and back arm at the same time. Will it be more interested to discuss how to prevent your opponent from putting you into double weighted than just to discuss the double weighted itself?

In RSF, we talk too much theory. We don't talk about enough application.

What opponent will stand with arms extended? Oh wait . . . the rhino guard player. One might punch low and "control your leading leg and rhino guard at the same time" with both hands and foot.

Can you "discuss how to prevent your opponent from putting you into double weighted," when using rhino guard?

marvin8 wrote:Opponent can use "double arms," too. Notice that demo starts from long range —> kicking —> punching and ends with uppercut to head from side door, after opponent is double weighted:



. . . What's your opinion on this?

Here is the "double weighted" definition that I like:

The weight is evenly distributed across both feet. That makes it impossible to lift a foot without first shifting weight.

Will you put yourself into a situation that you "cannot shift weight"? You won't! So the key issue is how do your opponent puts you into a situation that you "cannot shift weight".

How does a foot sweep fit this idea?

everything wrote:How does a foot sweep fit this idea?

Double yin on bottom, double Yang on top = fall

johnwang wrote:Here is the "double weighted" definition that I like:

The weight is evenly distributed across both feet. That makes it impossible to lift a foot without first shifting weight.

So not to keep dragging this out, but I just read "T'ai-chi: The 'Supreme Ultimate' Exercise for Health, Sport, and Self-Defense" by Cheng Man Ching and Robert Smith.
They explicitly describe double-weighting three ways.
- weight evenly distributed across both feet
- pushing with both hands at the same time
- pushing with same side hand as the leg that holds your weight
That covers double-weight in the horizontal and two vertical planes.

Will you put yourself into a situation that you "cannot shift weight"? You won't!

Yet people do. They think they're in a good position but find they have no way to apply their strength and get stuck.

So the key issue is how do your opponent puts you into a situation that you "cannot shift weight".

I've been describing the method this whole thread. The Yin and Yang in your body should be sort of like a checkerboard. To induce double weighting, they would push on one of the Yin spots, and if you resist instead of yielding, you're double-weighted.

Let's get specific.

Here, chosen more or less at random, is a video of someone performing a typical version of Yang style's "Roll back". Is he double-weighted?

If so, why?

If not, why isn't he?

I don't know, what do you think?