question about holding the ball/hugging the tree/whatever

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Re: question about holding the ball/hugging the tree/whatever

Postby wayne hansen on Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:01 am

One of my Wu style teachers he tow tan was 76 when I trained with him
He was the only guy I have met who could touch his fingers to the ground in needle at sea bottom with his back vertiical
He could do 20 pistol squats touching his bottom to the ground then do the same with the other leg
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Re: question about holding the ball/hugging the tree/whatever

Postby HotSoup on Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:03 am

Sounds like old He knew a thing or two about proper strength training :)
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Re: question about holding the ball/hugging the tree/whatever

Postby charles on Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:15 am

Appledog wrote:Hunyuan Qigong #1 "Jiang Qi Xi Zhang" aka sink qi to wash the organs. It's a common move in the internal arts, you will find it and similar-purpose moves in Taichi, Xingyi and Bagua, ex. 0:24 in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP5OEjYVzKQ shows the move used to start a Xingyi form.

It can bee seen in the following video starting at 2:33:


The exterior shape of the movement is similar to the Xingyi form movement you posted, but probably the intent is not. It certainly is not the same as the others you posted prior to editing your post, such as the Taiji posture white crane, etc.

A video showing an older version of Feng's exercise is here, shown by Zhang Xuexin, a long-time student of Feng's. It better shows the (original) intent of the exercise. As Feng aged, things changed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQTJAsQ ... 7QdI77iNlB

I don't want to hijack the thread, but did want to comment on that.
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Re: question about holding the ball/hugging the tree/whatever

Postby robert on Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:07 am

Steve James wrote:Although, I can't specifically recall seeing any pictures of YCF doing the "holding the ball" pose, I'd expect it to look something like this.
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Chen Yanlin's Taijiquan manual has a section on stance training and he discusses three postures.
Horse stance

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Not too far from holding the ball.


Three line stance
Raise the hands

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Re: question about holding the ball/hugging the tree/whatever

Postby wiesiek on Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:21 am

oragami_itto wrote:
So among the zz practitioners, how many of you hold one legged postures?
I`m not zz, ;
but
I used to train 9 basic "holdin` the ball" postures in mabu stance.
I started from 9 breaths per posture, /average 20 minutes training/, and stretched it to the classical 36 breaths = 90 minutes workout/.
However, later I found out, that "hangi` on the tree" J.W.`s style is more beneficial .
More bang for the buck in shorter time, I mean.
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Re: question about holding the ball/hugging the tree/whatever

Postby everything on Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:26 pm

I really have to try it. Not sure if I'll get very far. My brother can do an ok human flag hold.
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Re: question about holding the ball/hugging the tree/whatever

Postby wiesiek on Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:12 am

Yup,
hanging on the tree is very hard to keep, I had BIG problems with starting "hanging" in this position .
When I reach length of 10 breaths /per one side/ , hoho, was very proud :).

ps
one legged position - I still use "golden rooster" as a part of my "yogi morning" wake ups workout,
just ` ~~10 breaths + with leg stretching on the front and back no more than 30 -40 breaths per side, total.

edit:
never was able to do "flag" fully, also some exercises on the bars ,
for work with gymnastic staff fully you need specific /"light"/ body construction .
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Re: question about holding the ball/hugging the tree/whatever

Postby cloudz on Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:02 am

The single leg 'hold the ball' is presented in Kuo Lien Yings TCC Book as The Universal Post.
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Re: question about holding the ball/hugging the tree/whatever

Postby Appledog on Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:11 am

Hello, I'd like to maintain a 'cool post count' of 108 posts. This particular post has gone beyond that number and has therefore expired.

I'm sorry if you were looking for some old information but I'll do my best to answer you if you send me a DM with a question in it.
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