Bagua - Walking the Square - Tom Bisio

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Bagua - Walking the Square - Tom Bisio

Postby Bob on Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:39 pm

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In all the years of bagua I have watched, never have I seen someone, more or less, publicly begin a discussion about it, let alone teach.

It has been a part of the bagua practice I learned 15 years back and Tom Bisio does an excellent job of illustrating and teaching it.

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Re: Bagua - Walking the Square - Tom Bisio

Postby robert on Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:00 pm

Is that the same as nine palaces?
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Re: Bagua - Walking the Square - Tom Bisio

Postby C.J.W. on Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:07 am

Bob wrote:
In all the years of bagua I have watched, never have I seen someone, more or less, publicly begin a discussion about it, let alone teach.


Striking drills done on a square are openly taught in Xie Peiqi/He Jinbao's line of Yin style bagua. They also made a series of videos demonstrating those moves nearly 2 decades ago. Here's a quick example and the square part starts at around 1:50)



In my line of Gao bagua, while we don't necessarily draw a square on the ground and walk around it, there many stepping drills that include elements of the square and triangle.
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Re: Bagua - Walking the Square - Tom Bisio

Postby Bob on Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:54 am

You are right C.J.W - thanks - I had forgotten about those clips although the square stepping is a bit wider than my or Bisio's practice. I can't remember if the other clips provide instruction.

The instructions that Bisio provides are detailed and diagrammed along with a video demonstrating the walk along with direction change. The video is labeled as 1 so hopefully there will be more to follow.

The late Huang Zhicheng briefly shows this in the center of the circle 8:20 mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng1MokxQgi8



I also used this square to start walking on the brick practice.

Robert it is not the same nine palace as I know it but it very well might hold as a practice in some schools.
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Re: Bagua - Walking the Square - Tom Bisio

Postby wayne hansen on Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:31 am

I learnt a walking the square exercise where it takes 4 steps almost stepping on your toes with each step it is so small
The square is equal to two housebrics
I also learnt a pushing one as part of Raymond chungs walking 4 hands
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Re: Bagua - Walking the Square - Tom Bisio

Postby robert on Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:42 am

Bob wrote:Robert it is not the same nine palace as I know it but it very well might hold as a practice in some schools.

That's interesting, thanks.
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Re: Bagua - Walking the Square - Tom Bisio

Postby Fa Xing on Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:56 am

I learned a similar drill from Jason Tsou, this is honestly the first time I've seen the drill done outside the Wutan Baguazhang line.
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Re: Bagua - Walking the Square - Tom Bisio

Postby C.J.W. on Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:12 am

Bob wrote:You are right C.J.W - thanks - I had forgotten about those clips although the square stepping is a bit wider than my or Bisio's practice. I can't remember if the other clips provide instruction.


I suppose this probably has a lot to do with body size and fighting style of the masters who passed down the systems. Walking on a small square develops the footwork and body method needed to make quick directional changes and tight evasive movements, which are important attributes for a small guy like Gong Baotien when taking on bigger opponents. Xie Peiqi's line, on the other hand, comes from Men Baozhen, who was 6-foot-4 and powerfully built. So naturally, he would've focused more on larger and more extended movements.

For us, our stepping drills contain many 360-degree turns that require three small consecutive steps -- either bai/ko/bai or ko/bai/ko -- to complete. They are essentially the same as stepping on a small square or triangle.
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