Is Santi Shi a good fighting stance?

[origami_itto]

Fighter stance

[origami_itto]

With all respect, what serious, competitive fighter talks about stances or fights from one? None of the arts producing the best fighters right now ever mention it, at least to my knowledge. Never heard Jocko or Tim Kennedy ever talk about their special ops fighting stance. Lol

Again these are your words, you say that neither MMA fighters or military combatives talk about, train, or use stances.

Your statement is categorically incorrect. If you meant something else other than "nobody talks about stances or fights from one" then perhaps being clearer in your communication would help misunderstanding.

[Steve James]

Imo, the first problem is the word "stance." It implies being still or a pose. Sure, any movement will have a starting position. Is santi a good position from which to start fighting (and moving)? Sure. Is it better than any other xingyi stance? I dunno. I know that Yang style has Raise Hands/Play Pipa, and I guess they're good starting positions too. But, they aren't santi shi unless one argues that the body positions are similar, but then it's possible to generalize to many martial arts.

[origami_itto]

Well your stance can be static or dynamic. Each has their use. To me it simply means the specific configuration and/or movement of your limbs pre-engagement. They should be doing something conscious for a purpose or you're going to have a bad time.

[xingyijesse]

Ok man. You got me. I didn't use perfect words so your ideas are completely correct and mine have no merit.

[origami_itto]

Ok man. You got me. I didn't use perfect words so your ideas are completely correct and mine have no merit.

Glad you understand.

[roger hao]

Origami_itto -
I learned early on that the hand position you show in that
fighting stance pic is for suckers only. Taught that by a friend from the
islands that is carrying on Kenpo schools today. He was a high round house
kicker and could knock you out by kicking that hand held next to the chin.
Same thing driving a car with air bags - keep your hands 9 and 3 cause your
own fist is gonna knock you out.

[origami_itto]

Origami_itto -
I learned early on that the hand position you show in that
fighting stance pic is for suckers only. Taught that by a friend from the
islands that is carrying on Kenpo schools today. He was a high round house
kicker and could knock you out by kicking that hand held next to the chin.
Same thing driving a car with air bags - keep your hands 9 and 3 cause your
own fist is gonna knock you out.

That's not my stance, that what the army teaches for combatives

I don't know how well he's doing it

[roger hao]

I thought it best to address you in my comment because your name is on it.

[origami_itto]

I thought it best to address you in my comment because your name is on it.

That's an excellent point, though. I usually prefer to keep my hands further out. They may have some rationale for it.

[everything]

Fedor used a different stance vs Cro Cop

[marvin8]

Origami_itto -
I learned early on that the hand position you show in that
fighting stance pic is for suckers only. Taught that by a friend from the
islands that is carrying on Kenpo schools today. He was a high round house
kicker and could knock you out by kicking that hand held next to the chin.
Same thing driving a car with air bags - keep your hands 9 and 3 cause your
own fist is gonna knock you out.

That doesn't make sense. If what you say is true, then the highest world ranked professional combat sports fighters are suckers.

It depends on various factors: distance, who you are fighting, etc. Professional MMA fighters use a variety of stances (dynamic): boxing guard, 9 and 3, San Ti, etc. The 9 to 3 stance may be correct if fighting your friend, but not when fighting others (e.g., boxer, etc).

What is your "friend from the islands that is carrying on Kenpo schools's" fighting record, world ranking and who has he fought?

Muay thai fighters face a lot of "high round house kickers" and use these types of stances:

[roger hao]

Marvin -
Neither of those guys have their hand at their chin.
I was not talking about the stance only about the hand at the chin.
Your statement can be applied also to the original pic where the
hand at the waist was deemed poor. Many fighters have that hand
position. You also red line the comment about air bags. Do you think
I am wrong about a hand at 12 o'clock will punch you in the face if air bag deploys?

[marvin8]

Marvin -
Neither of those guys have their hand at their chin.
I was not talking about the stance only about the hand at the chin.

How does having one's hand away from one’s chin better defend “a high round house Kicker from knocking one out?”

Your statement can be applied also to the original pic where the
hand at the waist was deemed poor. Many fighters have that hand
position.

My statement was “It depends on various factors: distance, who you are fighting, etc.”

When one is in punching range, compressing to generate power by bringing both hands to one’s waist provides more opportunity to get punched in the face. There are more efficient ways to compress and generate power.

You also red line the comment about air bags. Do you think
I am wrong about a hand at 12 o'clock will punch you in the face if air bag deploys?

I didn’t mean to red line "air bags." No.

[origami_itto]

How does having one's hand away from one’s chin better defend “a high round house Kicker from knocking one out?”

If your hand is too close to your chin when it "blocks" the kick, you run the risk of knocking yourself out with your own fist. Partly because it's going to give a little no matter where you are blocking, but also because that collapsed arm offers less resistance and will give a lot more versus with the hand further out where you have more room and better structure.

Try it, put your fist an inch from your face and have your friend push on it, then try with the fist a foot away. It doesn't take much distance to make hitting your own face impossible.