Timeline of Chinese Martial Arts

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Timeline of Chinese Martial Arts

Postby Yeung on Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:12 pm

Timeline of Chinese Martial Arts:

Dao Yin (168 BC or earlier as quoted by Zhuangzi,369 BC-286 BC)
Hua Tuo (140 – 206)
Shaolin (464)
Bodhidharma (5th or 6th Century)
Wudang’s first site of worship (626 – 649)
Chen Tuan (? – 989)
Zhang Sanfeng (12th Century)
Yue Fie (1103-1142)
Chen Wangting (1580-1660)
Ji Jike (1588 – 1662)
Wu Mei (associated with Yongzheng Emperor,1723 – 1735)
Chin Woo Athletic Association (1910 - now)
Central Guoshu Institute (1928-1948)
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Re: Timeline of Chinese Martial Arts

Postby oragami_itto on Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:16 pm

Haven't they found metal swords dating back to the yellow emperor? That would suggest some form of study and discipline to be used effectively. Circa 2600 BC?
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Re: Timeline of Chinese Martial Arts

Postby everything on Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:24 pm

Is this for surviving records?

Wrestling and sparring by primates and other mammals has to be much, much older. Same wth real fighting between tribes etc.
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Re: Timeline of Chinese Martial Arts

Postby johnwang on Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:55 pm

Chin Dynasty (246 BC ~ 207 BC).

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Re: Timeline of Chinese Martial Arts

Postby Strange on Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:57 pm

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Re: Timeline of Chinese Martial Arts

Postby edededed on Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:19 pm

Sword of Goujian and Spear of Fuchai: sometime 771-403 BC

Could also add milestones for famous CMA figures like Wang Lang, Gu Ruzhang, Yang Luchan, Dong Haichuan, Du Xinwu, Sun Lutang, Huang Feihong, Five Tigers Going South, etc.

And how could we leave out Yip Man and Bruce Lee, with all the movies these days? ;D
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Re: Timeline of Chinese Martial Arts

Postby Trick on Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:02 am

Peking Man ??
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Re: Timeline of Chinese Martial Arts

Postby Yeung on Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:12 pm

The first fight between Cain and Abel should be before 3000 BC but it was only reported by Moses after 1446 BC. Every if all these were valid we do not have any working variable. But we can relate stretching exercise to the stretching and recoil cycle developed in Chinese Martial Arts demonstrated the various adhering techniques.
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Re: Timeline of Chinese Martial Arts

Postby everything on Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:48 pm

Supposedly Shaolin monks learned yoga from Bodhidharma, and their exercises helped them develop their martial arts. This story at face value seems a little far fetched. Many animals (such as cats) stretch, spar, and fight. But they didn't learn to do it in that order. Humans and primates didn't learn stretching before they learned fighting. Humans are much better with tools and planning, though, so the more our brains developed, the more we could systematically work on anything (such as war and war arts). I have no idea if this is a tangent or on your original topic.
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Re: Timeline of Chinese Martial Arts

Postby Trick on Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:04 am

everything wrote:Supposedly Shaolin monks learned yoga from Bodhidharma, and their exercises helped them develop their martial arts. This story at face value seems a little far fetched. Many animals (such as cats) stretch, spar, and fight. But they didn't learn to do it in that order. Humans and primates didn't learn stretching before they learned fighting. Humans are much better with tools and planning, though, so the more our brains developed, the more we could systematically work on anything (such as war and war arts). I have no idea if this is a tangent or on your original topic.

we humans have the same "reflexive" streching method as cars and dogs, we do it after staying put to long in the sofa or after a nights sleep, it serve to liven up the muscles and limbs. from this we might have experimented and developed more structural methods.....About bodhidharma and chinese arts got isomewhat nspired from india, i would also like to point out persian traders who came along the silk road, many of them settled in just henan province not far from Shaolin temple, that mural in the temple where fairer skined monks spar with darker skin monks always had me wonder what that was about
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Re: Timeline of Chinese Martial Arts

Postby Yeung on Sat Mar 02, 2019 2:03 pm

From Dao Yin (168 BC) to 5 animal play of Hua Tuo (140 – 206) makes good sense. May be this is where the meridian theory connected to exercise.
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Re: Timeline of Chinese Martial Arts

Postby Yeung on Sat Mar 02, 2019 2:29 pm

Zhuangzi’s Ingrained ideas, translated by James Legge:

Blowing and breathing with open mouth; inhaling and exhaling the breath; expelling the old breath and taking in new; passing their time like the (dormant) bear, and stretching and twisting (the neck) like a bird - all this simply shows the desire for longevity. This is what the scholars who manipulate their breath, and the men who nourish the body and wish to live as long as Peng Zu are fond of.
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Re: Timeline of Chinese Martial Arts

Postby Yeung on Mon Mar 04, 2019 3:57 am

Dao Yin is not connected to the teaching of Laozi and Zhuangzi, as in Ingrained ideas Zhuangzi said that saintly person does not practice Dao Yin and has longevity. So it is a mistake to teach Dao Yin as a kind of Daoism or Taoism. In the "Three Kingdoms" written by Chen Shou (233-297) around 290 told the story of Hua Tuo and reference to the five animal play as an alternative to Dao Yin.
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Re: Timeline of Chinese Martial Arts

Postby Appledog on Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:39 am

The Li Ji records that, by the time of the Zhou dynasty circa 1000BC, Jiao Li play had already incorporated acupressure strikes with wrestling.
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