yi-quan repelling upon contact

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Re: yi-quan repelling upon contact

Postby richardman on Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:05 am

Yeung wrote:... may be the video of Han Xingyuan (1915-1963) can be of some help.


Typo: Sigong dies in 1983, not 1963.
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Re: yi-quan repelling upon contact

Postby Taste of Death on Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:38 am

When one applies pressure to the yiquan fighter one pushes oneself off their frame. They have a springy body. So, in a sense, one repels oneself.
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Re: yi-quan repelling upon contact

Postby oragami_itto on Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:19 am

And taijiquan doesn't have this quality?
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Re: yi-quan repelling upon contact

Postby Taste of Death on Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:49 am

oragami_itto wrote:And taijiquan doesn't have this quality?


It has to do with the nei gong one practices so it can be in all the arts but taiji, xingyi, ba gua and yiquan, etc. all have different approaches.

Both taiji and yiquan should follow the path of least resistance.
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Re: yi-quan repelling upon contact

Postby windwalker on Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:52 pm

Yeung wrote:
windwalker wrote:

Nice demo.

"Repelling" might be the problem for some in understanding.

"Emptying" might be a better word and way of explaining what is shown.

I cannot find a good example of yiquan repelling upon contact, may be the video of Han Xingyuan (1915-1963) can be of some help:

https://www.bilibili.com/video/av198889 ... ideocard.5

"Repelling upon contract" is making use of muscle elasticity or recoil, which is a difficult concept in biomechanics.


Thanks, I don't feel its so difficult although I would explain it in a different way.

there are a number of ways that this can be explained.
I try to use physics when ever possible although there are teachers that
use what might be called the cultural verbiage in explaining it.

This teacher in Taiwan uses the term elastic force or band


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d-KLkyinF8

He talks about pulling in and releasing like an arrow.
He mentions 3 areas in the back that have to be able to move...
I'm sure some of the native speakers can provide a far more detailed
translation for those interested should they have time or care to.
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Re: yi-quan repelling upon contact

Postby johnwang on Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:11 pm

windwalker wrote:

What if you have spent all your life to develop this ability, but your opponent only punches on your head?
I'm still allergy to "push".
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Re: yi-quan repelling upon contact

Postby windwalker on Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:38 pm

johnwang wrote:
windwalker wrote:://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d-KLkyinF8

What if you have spent all your life to develop this ability, but your opponent only punches on your head?


Some people do spend a lifetime developing it.
One would hope "they" understand "why" they feel its useful to develop
and understand any advantage they feel it may give them...

One should also note its a "demo" the teacher is using to explain certain
ways of movement.....
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Re: yi-quan repelling upon contact

Postby Taste of Death on Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:51 pm

johnwang wrote:
windwalker wrote:

What if you have spent all your life to develop this ability, but your opponent only punches on your head?


Then raise your hands.

It's like what Barry Bonds (baseball player) said about hitting. One doesn't hit the ball, one catches it with the bat.
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Re: yi-quan repelling upon contact

Postby Yeung on Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:54 am

richardman wrote:
Yeung wrote:... may be the video of Han Xingyuan (1915-1963) can be of some help.


Typo: Sigong dies in 1983, not 1963.


My apology for the typing error.
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Re: yi-quan repelling upon contact

Postby Yeung on Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:58 am

oragami_itto wrote:And taijiquan doesn't have this quality?

You can call it Fajing, but practitioners are more interested in the neutralization of such force; the strategy of leading into emptiness.
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Re: yi-quan repelling upon contact

Postby middleway on Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:52 am

What if you have spent all your life to develop this ability, but your opponent only punches on your head?


;D Sifu wang geting straight to the heart of the matter :)

IMO contact should be sought out in a fighting encounter, not waited for. Of course sometimes the attack will be initiated by your opponent, Even then effective contact will be obtained by your action. If your action is ineffective, well, contact may very well be found in the form of their fist smashing into your face.
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Re: yi-quan repelling upon contact

Postby windwalker on Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:22 am

What heart would that be?

It's a demo, a training exercise for his students illustrating certain principles he feels are useful.

He talks about not having dead points in the body, and points that should move and be very flexible.
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Re: yi-quan repelling upon contact

Postby middleway on Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:17 am

What heart would that be?


The utility for fighting.

a training exercise for his students illustrating certain principles he feels are useful.


Useful for what?
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Re: yi-quan repelling upon contact

Postby johnwang on Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:34 am

middleway wrote:Useful for what?

I'm glad that I'm not the only person who asks this question. Why do I want to spend my training time to develop a skill that's useless in the ring, or on the mat? Can you use the elastic principle to deal with a

- push on the forehead, 抹(Mo) – Wiping,
- push on the face, 摀(Wu) – Face covering,
- push on the chin, 托(Tuo) – Chin pushing,
- push on the neck, 封(Feng) – Throat blocking,
- punch to the head,
- roundhouse kick to the leg,
- ...?

If you are only interested in dealing with head attack and leg attack, the elastic principle will be useless for you.

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Re: yi-quan repelling upon contact

Postby BruceP on Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:39 am

johnwang wrote:
middleway wrote:Useful for what?

I'm glad that I'm not the only person who asks this question. Why do I want to spend my training time to develop a skill that's useless in the ring, or on the mat? Can you use the elastic principle to deal with a punch to the head, or a roundhouse kick to the leg? You can't.


Yes, you can. I've used that method in a couple of MMA matches (posted a video showing it back-to-back with Single-Whip using the same extension/'elastic'), and so have a couple of my training partners - one of whom was in a clip I posted a long time ago showing the same Impact Management I've written about here at RSF in the past.
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