Appledog wrote:
This isn't tai chi; it's a mix of wing chun and tai chi and general CMA (probably something like hung gar but I am not sure exactly -- there are certain schools in Taiwan that teach similar combinations). I'm not putting him down, i'm just telling you what he does
windwalker wrote:Appledog wrote:
This isn't tai chi; it's a mix of wing chun and tai chi and general CMA (probably something like hung gar but I am not sure exactly -- there are certain schools in Taiwan that teach similar combinations). I'm not putting him down, i'm just telling you what he does
Why is it that this mythical taiji it's never seen.
But much is written about it.
This seems to be a very modern approach.
windwalker wrote:More writing.
My point was that it never seems to be seen,
but people do like to write about it.
Seems like for those with strong feelings about what it is, they themselves would be the examples going out to show or allow others to feel or see it.
Most of the teachers I met in Taiwan were very amicable to having others feel their work.
Appledog wrote: My point being there is enough similar information coming out from top level people that if you did some time and research into investigating it you would see that a cohesive product is being passed down from a large number of unrelated people in unrelated lineages.
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These are experimental methods which are different from the methods which have been passed down. You would have to have a lot of faith in your teacher to follow one of these experimental, untested methods. Maybe you will get something and maybe you will not. Maybe you will get song, and some qi and jin skills -- maybe you won't. One thing is almost absolutely certain though is that these arts will have different results than traditional Taiji training.
Formosa Neijia wrote:Taiji is nothing special. It came the same sources as other CMA and shares some similar concepts. If it didn't, it wouldn't be a CMA. And there are only so many effective ways to throw someone. Taiji people need to get off their high horse. Moving step push hands competitions have existed a long time in Taiwan for anyone with their pajama-infused qi powers to get out there and show these inferior "mixers" how it's supposed to be done. Yet, somehow that never quite happens.
Anyone would be better off trusting these "experimental methods" to give them actual skills and you'd have to have a ton of faith that the 10-30 year investment in the other methods would evey pay off.
Appledog wrote:Chi sao isn't push hands ...
Steve James wrote:not worry about purity.
Appledog wrote:You seem to be the type of person who would rather pick up fighting skills per se than explore the purity of an art (especially since in some cases such a thing may prevent you from learning new and interesting things). That can be good. I remember someone here saying their teacher asked them if they wanted to be a teacher or a fighter. because teachers need to know a lot of stuff fighters don't need to learn, and as such teachers are not always the best fighters (neither are the best fighters usually any good at teaching). For me, I prefer understanding what actually is going on under the hood and how it is supposed to work. I've gotten quite far with that. I know what Tai Chi is, how it is supposed to be trained, and the general progression of the art. I don't know much about other arts (like wing chun for example) other than they are different and incompatible with tai chi.
johnwang wrote:You are still too young. When you are interested in kick, punch, lock, throw, and ground game integration, any pure style has little meaning to you. The reason is simple. You task is to make any MA style "not pure".
Formosa Neijia wrote: And frankly, this is the way it is in most of Taiwan, as I'm sure you know. the vast overwhelming majority of people here do multiple arts from multiple teachers for that very reason. So no, I don't place any value on purity at all. If Yang style comes from Chen style and Chen came from long fist then doing all of those (as I have) cna give you insights and make you a better teacher.
By comparing what different people are doing, I gain greater insight into why some things work and some don't.
Most Taiji guy don't want to admit that:
long fist -> Chen Taiji -> Yang taiji
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