Train in 3 different ways

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Train in 3 different ways

Postby johnwang on Fri May 03, 2019 6:40 pm

The wrestling "double legs" require 90 degree attacking angle while your opponent is in squire stance. But in fighting, this opportunity may be difficult to find when your opponent has forward and backward stance.

There are 3 ways to achieve this.

1. Your opponent gives you that angle.
2. You use footwork to put yourself into that angle.
3. You force your opponent to move into that angle.

This mean that for some technique (such as double legs, inner hook, outer hook, ...), you will need to train in all 3 stuations.

In your training, do you have to

1. Wait for your opponent to give you that opportunity,
2. You move in to obtain that opportunity,
3. You force (bait) your opponent to give you that opportunity?

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Re: Train in 3 different ways

Postby marvin8 on Sat May 04, 2019 7:16 am

johnwang wrote:The wrestling "double legs" require 90 degree attacking angle while your opponent is in squire stance. But in fighting, this opportunity may be difficult to find when your opponent has forward and backward stance.

There are 3 ways to achieve this.

1. Your opponent gives you that angle.
2. You use footwork to put yourself into that angle.
3. You force your opponent to move into that angle.

This mean that for some technique (such as double legs, inner hook, outer hook, ...), you will need to train in all 3 situations.

In your training, do you have to

1. Wait for your opponent to give you that opportunity,
2. You move in to obtain that opportunity,
3. You force (bait) your opponent to give you that opportunity?

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"Double legs" or inner hook, outer hook, ... does not require "90 degree attacking angle while your opponent is in squire stance." In your photo, the opponent is bent over, in a parallel stance and ready to sprawl or counter.

Training 3 ways to create this angle would focus on the wrong position and timing. So, I am not understanding your "need to train in all 3 situations." Creating opportunities (through offense or defense) can make one better prepared.
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Re: Train in 3 different ways

Postby johnwang on Sat May 04, 2019 10:57 am

marvin8 wrote:"Double legs" or inner hook, outer hook, ... does not require "90 degree attacking angle while your opponent is in squire stance."

This is just simple physics. When you have square stance on the east west direction, your base is defined by your feet. If your opponent pushes you from the

- east direction, you will have better balance.
- south direction, you will have weaker balance.

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Re: Train in 3 different ways

Postby marvin8 on Sat May 04, 2019 1:03 pm

johnwang wrote:
marvin8 wrote:"Double legs" or inner hook, outer hook, ... does not require "90 degree attacking angle while your opponent is in squire stance."

This is just simple physics. When you have square stance on the east west direction, your base is defined by your feet. If your opponent pushes you from the

- east direction, you will have better balance.
- south direction, you will have weaker balance.

The double leg entry can be performed whether opponent is in "square stance" or "forward and backward stance." Success depends more on the ease of the opponent's ability to counter the double leg entry using "simple physics."

Given your photo, the opponent is in a position to move his hips in the "south direction," borrow your forward force and sprawl or knee you in the face. To train timing based on the posted opponent's stance 3 different ways is counter productive. One wants to train situations where one has more chance of taking down, without getting taken down (countered).
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