No difference between shifting weight left and right or back and fore
To say the 4 corners came out of cloud hands is the same as saying everything comes out of Wu chi
wayne hansen wrote:Bao expression comes from the entire body
wayne hansen wrote:No difference between shifting weight left and right or back and fore
To say the 4 corners came out of cloud hands is the same as saying everything comes out of Wu chi
everything wrote:Other than choreography does anyone talk about sides and corners as in angles of attack and defense, side doors, front doors? Or is it just a weird Convention?
For example
Elbow and kao have various angles of attack, especially elbow of course.
pluck is pluck down but sides and corners makes no sense.
Bao wrote:everything wrote:Other than choreography does anyone talk about sides and corners as in angles of attack and defense, side doors, front doors? Or is it just a weird Convention?
For example
Elbow and kao have various angles of attack, especially elbow of course.
pluck is pluck down but sides and corners makes no sense.
It’s just from how they are traditionally put in the Bagua:
so basically more useless (but interesting) intellectual overlay.
oragami_itto wrote:so basically more useless (but interesting) intellectual overlay.
Not at all. The arrangment and relationship between sides and corners is intricate, deep, and practical.
But, never mind all that, you're right. It's just useless intellectual wanking.
Actually, no, I can't.
So, the corners support the sides. Deficiencies in the side techniques are compensated for by the corner techniques.
You do the four sides or four directions or GST exercise and you're stationary, using peng lu ji an.
When, for example, your rollback is too big, it becomes a pull, hence the study of the corner techniques is known as the "da lu" or "big roll back". You incorporate stepping into the practice.
If your ward-off doesn't contain the proper quality of peng and it collapses, it automatically presents an elbow or shoulder. If you can't neutralize then split, whatever.
Taijiquan is a very sophisticated fighting system that literally nobody understands, mainly due to trying to shoehorn it into Western thinking.
everything wrote:wut.
out of sheer boredeom at work, let's talk about it a little
let's say we do fixed step (so already totally artificial) push hands. you push, i ward off and roll-back and pull down. when I roll back, it doesn't go to any particularly precise angle.... so forget about sides and corners.
let's say we want to diagonal flying. machida does a similar move from his karate all the time. I'm too lazy to post more gifs right now. he definitely has to do this move from a particular angle (relative to the foot and chest and punch positioning of his opponent) - but it's too hard to say if it's side or corner.
let's say we use the shoulder to kao. again it depends on the other person's foot positioning. but let's be incredibly theoretical and say it's a square not diagonal positioning. so ideally our kao should be at a right angle to this person's chest. so that's not side or corner but straight forward.
on top of all that, to say it's yin inside yang, blah blah blah, is really just too much.
but if you're just saying that ward off can have a back up of elbow or kao, sure. but why don't we just say that WITHOUT the bagua diagram and the taiji diagram?
I like the actual stuff you're talking about. I do not at all like the intellectualism on top of it (except as an entirely separate thing on its own).
assuming we (people of rsf) like IMA and want to help it, I can't see how any of this helps. it will forever be LARP for effete intellectuals .
if mike tyson comes along and says "oh yeah this is what I needed to help my boxing", I'll reverse 180.
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