Walk the Torque wrote:what good is the classical large and small circle push hands with its crossing of the arms and pushing each other out of range, if you rarely if ever do this in sparring?
Walk the Torque wrote:A lot of people ... just join opposite hands with the opponent and go at it like a couple of bulls.
johnwang wrote:Walk the Torque wrote:what good is the classical large and small circle push hands with its crossing of the arms and pushing each other out of range, if you rarely if ever do this in sparring?
If you can use your
- Right arm to deflect your opponent's jab,
- Left arm to deflect his cross,
- You can punch on his chest between his arms (or take him down).
This is the Baji way of doing it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOfFKq8 ... e=youtu.be
This is the preying mantis way of doing it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdPK6eF ... e=youtu.be
What's the Taiji way of doing it?
It's should be very easy to achieve this situation in Taiji PH.
GrahamB wrote:
You're doing that 'safe' training to learn skills that are hard to acquire, which then get used in freer environments, rather than try to mimic the 'safe' environment in freer training.
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[b]8) 5 keywords of push hands (strategy):
Listen, stick, yield, neautralise, attack.
Giles wrote:I think Graham make some valid points here.
I'll just put in one thought/exercise. One useful way of doing fixed-step pushing hands to make it useful for the 'realz' is a method I call "haiku tuishou'. Both (experienced) partners remain soft and calm, respect the principles they want to train, but also have a clear attacking mindset. (Which is not the same as "Bull at the Gate"). The very first moment of contact between hands/arms is the most important. Or even the 1 or 2 seconds before contact. As the hands come together, motion is of course already happening and this continues without interruption through the connected exchange. Which lasts a maximum of, say, 5 seconds or maximally 10 seconds. By this point, one of the two players has already gained a clear advantage, either positionally or by compromising/unbalancing the partner's structure, creating a clear opening, or already landing a significant 'strike' (but not injurious) or lock or throw/takedown. Or neither has gained an advantage, also OK. The two partners then separate, then approach each other again, possibly each taking a single step forwards to come into range, and the game begins again. On a fresh sheet of paper, so to speak.
Bao wrote:" There should be no gap between defensive and offensive action. .
Steve James wrote:I think there are two primary issues: What is push hands and what is it for? The answers to then determine "how" it should be done.
johnwang wrote:Besides leg skill, there are other thing that are missing in Taiji PH as well such as:
- You want to take over your opponent's space.
Both require aggressive forward footwork and body method. Unfortunately, the static PH may develop bad habit for people.
johnwang wrote:What's the most important CMA skill that we all need? IMO, do not let our opponent's fist to land on our head should be the most important skill. Can Taiji PH help us to develop that skill? I don't think so.
Walk the Torque wrote:Its not Tai Chi that is the problem John; it is the lack of proper training.
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