Variations from the standard Taijiquan 88 Forms

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Variations from the standard Taijiquan 88 Forms

Postby Yeung on Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:19 am

We, the Non-concentric Exercise Group in the East Midlands have developed the variations from the standard Taijiquan 88 Forms, without the opening stance, opening form, closing form, and all the repeats; there are only 37 forms as follows:

1. Form 3 Grasp peacocks tail拦雀尾
2. Form 4 Single whip单鞭
3. Form 5 Raise hands 提手
4. Form 6 White Crane spreading wings白鹤凉翅
5. Form 7 Brush knee and twist step 搂膝拗步
6. Form 8 Hands strumming the lute手挥琵琶
7. Form 11 Step up, parry and punch进步搬拦捶
8. Form 12 Apparent close up如封似闭
9. Form 13 Cross hands十字手
10.Form 14 Return to mountain with Tiger 抱虎归山
11.Form 16 Fist under elbow肘底捶
12.Form 17 Step back Forearm (Step back to repulse the monkey) 倒撵猴
13.Form 18 Oblique flying斜飞式
14.Form 22 Needle at sea bottom海底针
15.Form 23 Flash out arm (Fan through the back) 扇通背
16.Form 24 Turn, sidle and punch转身撇身捶
17.Form 28 Wave hands like clouds云手
18.Form 30 High pat on horse高探马
19.Form 31 &32 Right kick, left kick (Flip Kicks) 分脚
20.Form 33 Turn and left (heel) kick转身蹬脚
21.Form 35 Step up and punch down进步栽锤
22.Form 36 White snake show tongue 白蛇吐信
23.Form 39 & 40 Sidle left to tame the tiger 打虎式
24.Form 41 Heel kicks蹬脚
25.Form 43 Turn around and kick 转身蹬脚
26.Form 42 Strike opponent's ears with both fists双峰灌耳
27.Form 51 Parting wild horse's mane 野马分鬃
28.Form 54 (Fair lady) working at shuttles玉女穿梭
29.Form 59 Snake creeps down下势
30.Form 60 Golden Cock on one leg 金鸡独立
31.Form 75 Cross palms (back to back) 穿掌
32.Form 76 Turn, cross hands and kick十字腿
33.Form 77 Brush knee and punch (Step up and punch to the groin) 进步指裆锤
34.Form 81 Step up to form seven stars上步七星
35.Form 82 Retreat to mount tiger退步跨虎
36.Form 83 Turn and swing up lotus-kick 转身摆莲
37.Form 84 Archer shooting Tiger (Bend the bow and shoot the tiger) 弯弓射虎

For each form we do left and right and variations from applications, and then sort of link them up from 1 to 37 on the right side and 1 to 37 on the left side; these sort of working out well in reducing the space so that people can practice the link forms at home. At the moment we are trying to develop various links between different forms - the ideas from Xingyiquan and Baguaquan - with infinite changes. And we are looking at the application in two person sets and pushing hand sets for martial sports.

Does this sound like a good syllabus for serious learners of Taijiquan?
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Re: Variations from the standard Taijiquan 88 Forms

Postby GrahamB on Tue Aug 27, 2019 3:23 am

"the Non-concentric Exercise Group"

Who the what now?
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Re: Variations from the standard Taijiquan 88 Forms

Postby oragami_itto on Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:48 am

So how are you defining the postures, by the static position at the end?

In my practice the meat of the form is the "linking up" between those points. If you're just making up stuff to get from point to point, what are you even doing?
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Re: Variations from the standard Taijiquan 88 Forms

Postby wayne hansen on Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:25 pm

I would love to see film of one of the inventors of this form doing it
Don't put power into the form let it naturally arise from the form
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Re: Variations from the standard Taijiquan 88 Forms

Postby marvin8 on Tue Aug 27, 2019 3:39 pm

wayne hansen wrote:I would love to see film of one of the inventors of this form doing it

Not a form. But, a couple of "non-concentric" movement videos posted by Yeung.

From Facebook post, "Experiment with Fajin 1"
United Kingdom Pangration Athlima Federation on July 15, 2019 wrote:Experiment with Fajin, No.1

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Excerpt from RSF thread, "Tai Chi as an eccentrically-biased movement patterns:"
Yeung on Dec 16, 2016 wrote:Here is an example of rotating the crotch (angle or region of the angle formed by the junction of two parts or members,such as two legs or branches.):

Absorb and repel

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Maybe you can compare that with some videos on Taijiquan as they push concentrically forward instead of rotating the crotch to generate power.
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Re: Variations from the standard Taijiquan 88 Forms

Postby Yeung on Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:25 pm

We sort of deconstruct the 88 forms and reconstruct into 37 forms left and right sides according the non-concentric exercise model to minimize the use of concentric muscle contraction. There are 1369 possible links between the forms but most of them are very similar; there is a long tradition in Chinese Martial Arts to make up routines such as the 24, 48, and various competitive routines. So, one of the learning outcomes is for the practitioner to compose a routine from a set of forms randomly selected. We are still reconstructing the 37 left and right routine, any question or suggestion is welcome.
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Re: Variations from the standard Taijiquan 88 Forms

Postby Subitai on Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:37 pm

oragami_itto wrote:So how are you defining the postures, by the static position at the end?

In my practice the meat of the form is the "linking up" between those points. If you're just making up stuff to get from point to point, what are you even doing?



This gets a +1 from me :) ... I was about to say a version of just about the same thing, then I read this post. Spot on.
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Re: Variations from the standard Taijiquan 88 Forms

Postby Yeung on Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:06 am

I do not see any difficulty in connecting different forms , as in the 88 there are lots of transitional techniques such as holding the ball, embracing, reverse punch, twisted step, palm strike, pushing; and transitional forms such as single whip, white crane spreading wings, strumming the lute, wave hands in the cloud. The problems are continuity and adhering techniques in application; I mean what is the use of grasp the peacock’s tail when one does not know how to adhere and grab the incoming punch for example. Maybe most Taijiquan practitioners do not train in pushing hands properly.
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