marvin8 wrote:Can you explain the "mechanics and variations that work" for a powerful strike other than "weight drop cleanly?"
Strange wrote:how you can move to set-up your opponent like he was standing still is the real kung fu
not this one
MaartenSFS wrote:Wear boxing gloves and a headguard or even chest protectors if need be. It's quite doable. What's the point of training any of this if not to use it in sparring?
johnwang wrote:MaartenSFS wrote:Wear boxing gloves and a headguard or even chest protectors if need be. It's quite doable. What's the point of training any of this if not to use it in sparring?
Any skill that can not be applied in fighting is useless skill. You don't have to wait until you are 80 years old to find this out. The earlier that you can test yourself, the more chance you can improve it for the rest of your life.
MaartenSFS wrote:Wear boxing gloves and a headguard or even chest protectors if need be. It's quite doable. What's the point of training any of this if not to use it in sparring?
johnwang wrote:MaartenSFS wrote:Wear boxing gloves and a headguard or even chest protectors if need be. It's quite doable. What's the point of training any of this if not to use it in sparring?
Agree! Any skill that can not be applied in fighting is useless skill. You don't have to wait until you are 80 years old to find this out. The earlier that you can test yourself, the more chance you can improve it for the rest of your life.
marvin8 wrote:Michael wrote:https://thefilmstage.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/600full-crouching-tiger-hidden-dragon-photo2.jpg
If a woman wants to fight, she should do it the RSF way and rely on internal power.
I should add Zhang Weili is fighting the way (e.g., shenfa, etc.) these taiji guys are fighting.
Wushu Longhuquan
Published on Mar 15, 2017
Han Feilong (Wang Zhanjun school Chenjiagou Village):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND0BBW3uido
Metteyya4461
Published on Oct 8, 2013
Chinese Chen's Taijiquan player Wang Yan and Thai player Vera Chakhan Wow. On September 28, 2013, the highly anticipated "Chen-style Taijiquan against Thailand Muay Thai Contest" kicked off at the Jiaozuo Gymnasium:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0RqOGqMNvI
Wushu Longhuquan
Published on Mar 6, 2017
TaiChi School of Master Wang Zhanjun:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JzKuoDeWnEmarvin8 wrote:Excerpts from "An interview with Wang Yan, head coach of the Chenjiagou Taijiquan School," https://chentaijisi.wordpress.com/2018/ ... an-school/vladostaric on March 7, 2018 wrote:From the very beginning Master Chen Ziqiang was my main teacher. At that time, he was not travelling abroad so much, so I was trained by him consistently and regularly. There were also other coaches besides him at the school, helping me with different aspects of the training. I was taught, for example, some external martial arts as well, particularly sanda and shaolin kungfu. . . .
Wang Yan training with his master Chen Ziqiang in 2016 (photo: personal archive of Wang Yan)
Other types of training, on the contrary, were quite demanding: we did a lot of weight lifting, stretching, also other strength excercises to develop fitness and muscular abilities. When a student grows a little older, reaching his late teens and early twenties, then the school starts putting much more attention to learning taolu (forms).
Could you share some memories from competitions?
. . . During the Henan Jimiao Sai competition in 2010 (or maybe the year before?) I was one point away from losing. Then, somehow, I managed to turn it around and in the end beat the opponent by fifteen points. This competition was a particularly memorable experience for me.
Wang Yan winning Chenjiagou competition in 2014 (photo: personal archive of Wang Yan)
Wang Yan in combat training in 2016 (photo: personal archive of Wang Yan)marvin8 wrote:"Q&A with Master Chen Bing:"moving stillness on 2017-06-01 wrote:Master Chen Bing is a descendant of the Chen family that developed Taijiquan in Chenjiagou. At the age of six he started learning the family art from his uncles Chen Xiaowang and Chen Xiaoxing. . . .
Traces of Bamboo Rice Bowl: How good is Chen Style Taijiquan in combat? Can you guys compete with MMA fighters and win?
Chen Bing: Dear Traces of Bamboo Rice Bowl, Chen Taiji is fairly well known for its combat applications. Whether it could overtake MMA fighters depends on the game rules. Under MMA rules, taijiquan no doubt has a bigger chance of losing; under taiji sparring rules, MMA could also have an advantage of “fighting the long with the short”. Losing is not a big deal, one can always reflect and refine [their skills]. Throughout history which martial art has not lost once?
New Beginning: Taijiquan, dare to take on a supermatch with Sanda?
Chen Bing: Greetings New Beginning! Are you just curious, or do you have some particularly fascinating ideas? Sanda originated from traditional wushu but exceeds folk martial arts in many aspects including training methods, intensity, practical combat applications, body recovery, nutrition, as well as selection of athletes. Though related, there are many differences [between taijiquan and sanda]. Why not learn from each other and improve together? I think that would be more pragmatic and important than calling dares.
marvin8 wrote:Also, one can watch experienced IMA or MMA fights, break them down and see what worked (and what didn't) in those fights.
Why is it that teams from Chen Village choose to use sanda biomechanics instead of "relying on internal power?" Some of the fighters have decades of tai chi training from a reliable source.
robert wrote:marvin8 wrote:Also, one can watch experienced IMA or MMA fights, break them down and see what worked (and what didn't) in those fights.
Why is it that teams from Chen Village choose to use sanda biomechanics instead of "relying on internal power?" Some of the fighters have decades of tai chi training from a reliable source.
Please use the clip of Wang Yan to point out where Wang Yan is using sanda biomechanics rather taijiquan body mechanics. I don't see anything in that clip that is not from taiji. Which strikes and kicks of Wang's are not from taijiquan? His right cross is not a western style right cross, it uses taiji body mechanics. There is something that is not traditional taijiquan which I suspect Wang Yan picked up from his sanda training and another thing which is a bit modified from the traditional form, but applications often vary a bit from the form anyway and neither of those things make what he is doing external.
Metteyya4461
Published on Oct 8, 2013
Chinese Chen's Taijiquan player Wang Yan and Thai player Vera Chakhan Wow. On September 28, 2013, the highly anticipated "Chen-style Taijiquan against Thailand Muay Thai Contest" kicked off at the Jiaozuo Gymnasium:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0RqOGqMNvI
marvin8 wrote:Thanks. I should have added, "Or, are these fighters using tai chi biomechanics and/or internal power?" I was just wondering what others see in these tai chi fighting videos.
If one says "Tai chi is formless it's not about techniques," then I can't say they are not doing taiji. However Wang Yan himself says, "I was taught, for example, some external martial arts as well, particularly sanda and shaolin kungfu. . . ."
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