when he resists (he tries to bend his arm), his resistance can help you to bend his arm with little effort
johnwang wrote:In order to borrow force, you have to give force. If you want to borrow the west direction force, you have to give the east direction force first. This may violate the Taiji principle, if you don't move, I won't move.
Your thought?
Bao wrote:Borrowing is to add movement or momentum in the direction the opponent already moves.
johnwang wrote:In order to borrow force, you have to give force. If you want to borrow the west direction force, you have to give the east direction force first. This may violate the Taiji principle, if you don't move, I won't move.
Your thought?
When solid objects deform they typically try to restore themselves and "spring back" to their natural shape. The heavier the weight, the greater the deformation, the greater the restoring force trying to bring the surface back to its natural shape.
johnwang wrote:I don't like to depend on my opponent's intention (control by my opponent). I prefer to use my own intention (control by me).
Here is another example.
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Subitai wrote:It depends... if you wanna just strike, stick and move or bash him from longer striking range...then no, I don't need to borrow much force.
johnwang wrote:Subitai wrote:It depends... if you wanna just strike, stick and move or bash him from longer striking range...then no, I don't need to borrow much force.
Even in striking art, you can still borrow force.
- Your opponent punches you.
- you block it and pull his punching arm (This will pull your body toward your opponent).
- You then use switching hand and punch him.
The entire preying mantis system is built on this Gou Lou Cai Shou (hook, pull, switch, punch). This is a good strategy to achieve "head on collusion" (your opponent moves toward you, your fist move toward him). IMO, 1 head on collusion punch can be better than 10 rear end collusion punches.
Subitai wrote: do you really need to?
...
1) he's keeping his distance, striking and moving perhaps with good footwork.
or
2) He's willing to get close and grab or clinch with you.
johnwang wrote:Subitai wrote: do you really need to?
...
1) he's keeping his distance, striking and moving perhaps with good footwork.
or
2) He's willing to get close and grab or clinch with you.
If you use strategy 1, there is nothing that I can do to you. One of my teacher's students used strategy 1 on my teacher, even my teacher could not do anything on his student.
David C. K. Lin once told me that if he uses strategy 1 on me, I won't be able to apply any head lock on him. His comment bothered me for many years. I then understood that kick, punch, throw is only good in theory. It's not good enough. I need kick, punch, clinch, throw.
C.J.W. wrote:
Your anecdotes point out what I consider to be a major weakness in conventional TCMA training.
TCMA training tends to focus exclusively on how to control and fight an opponent AFTER arm/hand contact is made (i.e., 接手 jieshou), but very little on how to do so BEFORE making contact by using skills such as timing, feinting, distancing, and footwork.
IMO, those are actually the kind of skills that non-Chinese arts -- such as boxing and even Kendo -- excel in, and ones that TCMAists should also have if the goal is to become a proficient fighter.
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