D_Glenn wrote:everything wrote:whatever this is, it doesn't seem to be the same "dantian" that neidan talks about. or maybe it's some combination of neidan and mechanics (which I would love to be the conclusion / what you guys are saying).
The elasticity and health of the flesh and muscles of the abdomen and extremities requires Neidan. So the physical training of Dantian rotation is intertwined with Neidan work. In Baguazhang, if you want to develop a Dantian, then you have to do a lot of circle walking. Xingyiquan has their own requirements.
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johnwang wrote:Trick wrote:
In that gif, is that dantian rotation?
Here is my concern. I can prove with video that waist rotation is useful in combat. Can anybody be able to prove that Dantian rotation can be used in combat?
If you don't even use the waist rotation, why do you even bother to use the Dantian rotation? Use Dantian rotation for what purpose?
jaime_g wrote:One poster concluded that golfers don’t use it so most probably base ballers neither, hockey players ? Boxers ? Gymnasts ? Weigh/power lifters? Ballet dancers ?.....Does it get you spiritually heightened? Greater health?
Why should they use it? You dont use something that you dont train.
Does a boxer train grand pliés? Does a gymnast train heavy bag striking? Does a powerlifter train splits? Does a ballet dance train clean and jerks?
Maybe some do these weird (for them) things...but I think no one focuses on them.
Dantian rotation can be useful for striking, throwing, ground fighting...but someone must teach it to you. Yoy arent going to develop a dantian if you dont train in a certain way
Formosa Neijia wrote:This stuff gives you a way to do that and makes you hit harder.
yes why dont they use it? its talked about all the time on here a ma forum, i get the impression it a very big thing in many martial arts communities, it out in the open how great a thing the dantian spin is, so why dont they pick it up.....you guys that promote its greatness for martial purpose, could andvertise it in the Ring and similar ?
Are you saying that Dantian rotation is only useful for the striking art, and not for the throwing art?
In another thread "Is 'internal' real that important?", I agree that "internal" is good for the striking art. My question in that thread is "Do I need internal for the throwing art (such as foot sweep)?"
In this thread, my question is the same. If you can use waist/hip rotation to throw your opponent, Do you still need Dantian rotation? What extra advantage will you add in?
Will Dantian rotation be able to help your foot sweep, or hip throw to have better result?
When my grip strenght wasn't developed yet, I had to depend on the shoulder pulling for my sweep. After I had my grip strength developed, I could just pull my opponent's elbow with only one hand when I sweep. It reduces my sweep from 2 steps into just 1 step, and my successful rate was much higher.
The most difficult part of moving from jacket throw to no jacket throw is it's much more difficult to grab on your opponent's skin than his jacket. In no-gi environment, a pair of strong grip hands is a must.
Last edited by johnwang on Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:22 pm,
Trick wrote:jaime_g wrote:One poster concluded that golfers don’t use it so most probably base ballers neither, hockey players ? Boxers ? Gymnasts ? Weigh/power lifters? Ballet dancers ?.....Does it get you spiritually heightened? Greater health?
Why should they use it? You dont use something that you dont train.
Does a boxer train grand pliés? Does a gymnast train heavy bag striking? Does a powerlifter train splits? Does a ballet dance train clean and jerks?
Maybe some do these weird (for them) things...but I think no one focuses on them.
Dantian rotation can be useful for striking, throwing, ground fighting...but someone must teach it to you. Yoy arent going to develop a dantian if you dont train in a certain way
yes why dont they use it? its talked about all the time on here a ma forum, i get the impression it a very big thing in many martial arts communities, it out in the open how great a thing the dantian spin is, so why dont they pick it up.....you guys that promote its greatness for martial purpose, could andvertise it in the Ring and similar ?
everything wrote:D_Glenn wrote:everything wrote:whatever this is, it doesn't seem to be the same "dantian" that neidan talks about. or maybe it's some combination of neidan and mechanics (which I would love to be the conclusion / what you guys are saying).
The elasticity and health of the flesh and muscles of the abdomen and extremities requires Neidan. So the physical training of Dantian rotation is intertwined with Neidan work. In Baguazhang, if you want to develop a Dantian, then you have to do a lot of circle walking. Xingyiquan has their own requirements.
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now that's getting to something that sounds interesting.
D_Glenn wrote: Circle walking is designed so that even the stupidest person can get internal cultivation benefits and physical strengthening at the same time.
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