From these and a few other experiences I have surmised that many northern styles and their dantian usage rely on total relaxation while southern style usage uses a different method that is equally potent and allows for a bit more physique to be present.
Has anyone else noticed anything like this?
From these and a few other experiences I have surmised that many northern styles and their dantian usage rely on total relaxation while southern style usage uses a different method that is equally potent and allows for a bit more physique to be present.
Has anyone else noticed anything like this?
This characteristic of a wave as an energy transport phenomenon distinguishes waves from other types of phenomenon. Consider a common phenomenon observed at a softball game - the collision of a bat with a ball. A batter is able to transport energy from her to the softball by means of a bat. The batter applies a force to the bat, thus imparting energy to the bat in the form of kinetic energy.
The bat then carries this energy to the softball and transports the energy to the softball upon collision. In this example, a bat is used to transport energy from the player to the softball. However, unlike wave phenomena, this phenomenon involves the transport of matter.
The bat must move from its starting location to the contact location in order to transport energy. In a wave phenomenon, energy can move from one location to another, yet the particles of matter in the medium return to their fixed position. A wave transports its energy without transporting matter.
A wave transports its energy without transporting matter
Peacedog wrote:A lot of the tension based stuff gives me pause for concern regarding health, but the lifespans of early weightlifters were remarkably long in many cases.
As far as dan tien rotation is concerned, and I include martial arts dan tien rotation/bumpachen/nauli kriya in the same boat, I've met both hard bodied people and complete fat asses who could do it.
Bao wrote:I found northern and southern internal practice different, though both very rewarding in their own ways. I wouldn’t say all Northern styles focus on relaxing the Dantian. Breathing deep and full is not just relaxing, it never is. But Hakka arts internal work is definitely very different from Northern Neigong. Southern styles use breath and sounds differently, much of it would go under the category “power breathing”, something that in northern styles is more associated with external arts. In northern neigong, all internal exercises start with calming the mind “Xin” and natural, not forced deep breathing. Southern styles internal practice often start directly working on breath and breathing patterns. I am certainly not an expert on Hakka methods, but still IME.
GrahamB wrote:I think it's people, not styles. Call me crazy, but the question of whether you'd want to learn from the bagua teacher you mentioned would be answered best by getting hands on and seeing what he does when you try to do something non-compliant to him.
Thanks for the recommendation the the pilates video btw, I'm working through it slowly. All looks good so far, but I do worry I may become pregnant
everything wrote:they both sound like red herrings at the opposite ends of the spectrum... what is your experience/reflection on it?
Peacedog wrote:Wow. For 83 years of age that guy is frikin’ amazing. Good for him.
Trick wrote:how does an martial arts exercise develop an alert mind body relevant for combat if the exercise is about consciously focus on muscle tension or on the dantian for that matter ?....I mean, in combat or in any other interactions, does one perform optimal when ones mind just mind ones own presence ?.......What matter if the dantian is developed to be hard or soft, are there even such an division. Either one is centered or not ?
Trick wrote:how does an martial arts exercise develop an alert mind body relevant for combat if the exercise is about consciously focus on muscle tension or on the dantian for that matter ?....I mean, in combat or in any other interactions, does one perform optimal when ones mind just mind ones own presence ?.......What matter if the dantian is developed to be hard or soft, are there even such an division. Either one is centered or not ?
Bao wrote:Amazing. Just look at the movability of his back.
Have never heard about soft or hard dantian. Breathing is breathing, the dantian is the dantian. Learning to move from the center of the body is what is important and to build this way of moving into a body method. You shouldn’t even need to think about it, and instead it should be there naturally by itself whenever you need it.
C.J.W. wrote:1. Reverse breathing is for fighting, whereas abdominal breathing is mainly for health.
4. Weight training is fine once you've acquired the basics of an IMA body and gotten rid of the habit of using localized muscular strength (e.g., lifting with biceps when someone presses down on your arm as opposed to guiding that pressure down to the ground using structure.)
5. Dynamic tension training found in southern styles has its pros and cons. It builds power -- and the ability to take hits -- quickly compared to softer approaches. However, at high intensity over long periods of time, it can lead to all sorts of health issues. (One of my teachers used to practice a very hard southern style from Zhejiang province in his youth and developed hernia; the master he learned it from passed away in his early 60s from a stroke.) Some systems include the use of special herbal formulas or soft qigong practice to remedy the strain it puts on the body.
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