Trick wrote:everything wrote:Trick wrote:vertical, horizontal, diagonal, round and round spinning your imaginary inner belly button. some serious introspective navel gazing going on
I don't need any visible movement to do that ... but OTOH small movements in, for example, hand position in zhan zhuang with absolutely zero movement change the structure, outer shape, inner energy stuff in a tangible way. So if we are talking about something sort of "beyond" that, I'm curious in case anyone is willing to elaborate. If we're talking only about outer movement, not really as curious lol... unless maybe you could give an example with, say, basketball shots or golf shots or something "simple". No worries if not...
Sorry my post was not directed to your post. Just my general impression of what is talked in the thread.....I’m not an baseball or golf player, so I don’t know if they do any specific navel gazing exercises in order to do an home run or sink a put.
not directing my posts at you or anyone here in particular. It seems there is always a lot of confusion, probably coming from many years and generations of confused knowledge passed down. I think it's far easier to separate things out temporarily:
1. neidan - comes from ancient Taoist practices, arts, sciences, medicine, cosmology, etc., mostly not having to do with MA. it's better to delve broader and deeper into this area if one wants to know about things like dantians.
2. musculoskeletal, biomechanical, CoG, producing a lot of force from moving one's center, etc. - that all great athletes are masters of, let alone IMA or MA practitioners.
once we do that, it's not really possible to confuse one for the other. we can try to have some "neijing" synergy, which presumably is the main topic of RSF (and it oddly doesn't get discussed here ... but RSF is great for other reasons).
we can produce a Tiger Woods without him doing neigong. A qigong or yoga master who has done a lot of work on dantians or chakras or other things might have immense difficulty with golf. Generally speaking it's probably FAR easier to get into meditation and then neigong than to have any success with golf. Heck, you can download an app now to wade in.
https://rumsoakedfist.org/viewtopic.php ... 1ea726bea5 As LeBron James says in the commercial:
we're so focused on strength and we forget to strengthen our focus...while the greats master the body, the greatest master the mind
(such genius copy) and that's not really 1mm deep into the neidan stuff. it's "just" the Phil Jackson "Zen" stuff...
for the thread topic, I'd guess the "north" folks went into #1 and can't do #2. the "south" folks are expert at "2" but maybe didn't look into "1" as much. it doesn't make much sense there should be any conflict. the "navel gazing" should be immensely helpful for something like golf or basketball. there is already quite a lot written about that.