Five bows issue together

[Bao]

1. How to prove that 5 bows issue together is possible?
2. What's the application for it?
3. Can we show some fact instead of just the theory?

Not all look at ideals as dogma in their own practice. Ideals are used to teach principle. Understanding principle is more important than doing something exactly as the ideal.

IMHO, this is just one example showing something that is good enough:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNPpwIoD0N8

[Trick]

Anyway, five bows issues together, if one just want to land a good straight punch, Would that be necessary ?
All the limbs work equally while solo practicing for different reason/purpose , the lesser of the reasons is power issuing. One might feel strong and it might look strong, but in a fight it may actually prove weak.

[Bao]

Anyway, five bows issues together, if one just want to land a good straight punch, Would that be necessary ?

No ... timing and placement...

All the limbs work equally while solo practicing for different reason/purpose , the lesser of the reasons is power issuing. One might feel strong and it might look strong, but in a fight it may actually prove weak.

True, practicing body coordination is one thing. In XYQ, evident power is for beginners. Mostly when you land a good punch you feel nothing, if you try to feel something it will be weak, IME. Practicing coordination is good, but when you punch something, you don't need to connect with the rest of the body until you actually connect with the target. A punch can look loose, weak and disconnected, yet on impact the body has followed up and everything is synchronised together. Prefer this method, it's often faster and you can punch without signalling.

[Trick]

Anyway, five bows issues together, if one just want to land a good straight punch, Would that be necessary ?

No ... timing and placement...

Yes, exactly

[Overlord]

https://images.app.goo.gl/x1cVgkVpcgJSBd1B9


This is the best five bows image I can find, I think it is real deal.

[Yeung]

This is an example I have found on the half step vertical reverse punch of Xingyiqouan
and I am sure there are many more:



He showed some hip movement but no torso movement, maybe one of the difficulty is precision for beginners. It is difficult to generate a straight line from a number of curves as the power of this punch does not come from the rear leg.

[johnwang]

the power of this punch does not come from the rear leg.

Could you give more detail explanation on this?

Without borrowing the counter force from the ground, how can the initial force be generated?

[AJG]

1. How to prove that 5 bows issue together is possible?
2. What's the application for it?
3. Can we show some fact instead of just the theory?

Not all look at ideals as dogma in their own practice. Ideals are used to teach principle. Understanding principle is more important than doing something exactly as the ideal.

IMHO, this is just one example showing something that is good enough:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNPpwIoD0N8

How do we know that is good enough ? What if it just feels more powerful because you are exerting more but in reality it's not as powerful as you think ?
Whats the test / feedback loop to ensure all that body movement is really driving your energy into your fist ?

[Bao]

How do we know that is good enough ? What if it just feels more powerful because you are exerting more but in reality it's not as powerful as you think ?
Whats the test / feedback loop to ensure all that body movement is really driving your energy into your fist ?

Good questions.

I enjoy watching that clip. Seems like she has put in a whole lot of work, not easy to move as smooth and issue that crisp. But I can obviously only judge from my own experience.

Personally, I don't like "fajin" in empty air. It can be a way to understand body coordination better in a general sense, maybe a good practice for beginners. But I certainly believe that it can give you a wrong appreciation of your own strength. When you punch, strike, really hit something, most people will do things differently than they practice without hitting something. You always need to support your balance and structure in a different way. So IMHO, if you want to learn how to drive strength into, or through something, you should actually hit something. But also, hitting bags and different "dead" objects also has its limitations.
...So however you look at practice to developing strength and actually be able to use something like strength ...

[wayne hansen]

The fake sound track puts me off

[suckinlhbf]

I like this one.

[johnwang]

How do we know that is good enough ? What if it just feels more powerful because you are exerting more but in reality it's not as powerful as you think ?
Whats the test / feedback loop to ensure all that body movement is really driving your energy into your fist ?

Agree! I would like to see her punch on a heavy bag and see how that heavy bag may respond. Just punch into the thin air cannot see the real power.

[MaartenSFS]

I agree that all of these people should try to Fajin on a heavy bag and see how it works out, but she has a lot of potential.

[MaartenSFS]

I like this one.

He looks like he knows what he's doing for sure. Very fluid stepping and power.

[johnwang]

I agree that all of these people should try to Fajin on a heavy bag and see how it works out, but she has a lot of potential.

Have you ever seen any of those CMA masters punch/kick on heavy bag?

I haven't. Why?

Do CMA guys totally ignore the target training and move away from the reality?