Five bows issue together

[suckinlhbf]

The compress and release are in two different aspects. It is like pressing a balloon filled with water, and the water comes out.

[johnwang]

The compress and release are in two different aspects. It is like pressing a balloon filled with water, and the water comes out.

You are talking about squeeze out and not compress and release. With a leak, you can't generate much power from it.

[windwalker]

Compress and release happen at the same time.

In physics, this is impossible. B and C cannot happen at the same time.

compress and release 2 opposing forces in regaining equilibrium
happen at the same time....releasing stored potential energy.

Elastic potential energy is energy stored as a result of applying a force to deform an elastic object. The energy is stored until the force is removed and the object springs back to its original shape, doing work in the process. The deformation could involve compressing, stretching or twisting the object.

squeezing also a type of compressing.

[suckinlhbf]

can't generate much power from it

Enough power to hurt. I once hit someone with a MMA chest protector inside, Hockey gear in the middle, MMA foam gear protector outside. His chest had a black bruise the next day.

[Trick]

Five bows issue together, seem reasonable only if four limbs altogether are in contact with objects. As feet with floor and hands/arms with anothers arms, as in a wrestling situation ?

[Drake]

There is the saying of “five bows issue together(五弓齐发 wǔ gōng qí fā)” in Xingyiquan.

Five bows are the two arms, two legs, and torso which are associated with the nine sets of joints to form the kinetic chain of Xingyiquan. I think this is a useful concept in issuing power in the five element fists.

It's a useful allegory in *all* martial arts...... connection, relaxation, coordination, timing, breathing...... it's all interconnected. Done correctly power is issued in a strike of lightning, a flash. No set up. Power goes from 1 to 10, and then back to 1. No bounce. Just *drop* as if shot.

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[johnwang]

Five bows issue together, seem reasonable only if four limbs altogether are in contact with objects. As feet with floor and hands/arms with anothers arms, as in a wrestling situation ?

In striking art, your

- right hand punch out (bow 1),
- left hand pull back (bow 2).

Bow 1 and bow 2 issue in opposite direction force.

In throwing art, your

- left hand pull your opponent's arm to the south direction (bow 1),
- right hand push his neck to the west direction (bow 2).

Bow 1 and bow 2 issue in different direction force.

[Trick]

Yes when striking there might be an “counterbalancing” action by the non striking arm, but there’s no “consciously” “issuing” with it as with the striking arm....at least not when fighting ?

[Bao]

Five bows issue together, seem reasonable only if four limbs altogether are in contact with objects. As feet with floor and hands/arms with anothers arms, as in a wrestling situation ?

Yes when striking there might be an “counterbalancing” action by the non striking arm, but there’s no “consciously” “issuing” with it as with the striking arm....at least not when fighting ?

I have no idea where the problem should be. It means that you coordinate and use all limbs and spine movement together to store and release. It's obviously not just about pulling back the rear hand. It's about coordinating and using all limbs and spine movement together to store and release.

Punch, pull, takedown, "fajin", doesn't matter. It's a body method you need to practice enough so it becomes natural so you can execute different techniques and methods with it spontaneously.

[Trick]

Yes a punch should flash out almost as it’s as surprisingly to oneself as it’s to the receiver, however there’s an intent with the striking arm/fist, if the intent is also in the other non striking arm, then ones action probably too slow and readable ?..........

[Bao]

if the intent is also in the other non striking arm, then ones action probably too slow and readable ?..........

Why?

Why would you need to show intent in the first place?

[johnwang]

if the intent is also in the other non striking arm, ...

This is why I don't like to discuss "punch into the thin air". I prefer to talk about application. In application, we can then find out how bow 1 function, how bow 2 function, and how ...

In the folowing clip:

bow 1 - right arm push.
bow 2 - left arm pull
bow 3 - left leg step back
bow 4 - right leg push into the ground.
bow 5 - body rotate.

[Trick]

Yes that’s what I mentioned in previous post, “if both hand/arms are in contact with opponent, then both arms can issue for ones benefit. But is that also the issue if from any distance going for an straight lead or cross ?

[Trick]

if the intent is also in the other non striking arm, then ones action probably too slow and readable ?..........

Why?

Why would you need to show intent in the first place?

Of course things may be different from an self defense perspective compared with an dueling one in the ring or on the mat.
I’ve not experienced any really sharp self defense situations. My fight experience kind of limits to a little fencing and much more traditional Karate sparring/fighting in dojos and tournaments.

With practice one learn to not telegraph. But there is alway intent and focus, the more relaxed one can be in it the better concealed it will be. It’s a game of reading one another.
When one strike the intent is to hit the one in front, and that is done usually with one fist at a time, and that where the intent find it’s focus.
In competitions such as Karate doing something as “five bows issues(at same time)” one would tire quick.

[Bao]

the more relaxed one can be in it the better concealed it will be. It’s a game of reading one another.
When one strike the intent is to hit the one in front, and that is done usually with one fist at a time, and that where the intent find it’s focus.

Why you believe that you can't do it relaxed? Practice drills etc is to learn the mechanics. When we practice, we often do things very exaggerated, clear, evident. Later you need to learn how to hide both mechanics and intent. First you learn how to do everything with the body together, later the hands can moves separately and catch up on impact. Also, you don't need to make everything clear as in a drill or form. Later you won't need the exact shape of the rear arm, Pulling back the shoulder and engage the lower ribs will make the same result as. So you only need to connect and release when you make contact with your opponent. Everything before that can look like nothing special at all.