Record what you can do

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Re: Record what you can do

Postby johnwang on Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:50 am

Record what you know when you are still young.

For each and every technique that I have taught to my students, I'll record a video for them.

The SC 1st degree BB test requirement is 4 sides and 2 doors. There are 30 principles involved. Some principle include more than 30 techniques.

It's very easy to come up a 200 technique clip without even include combo. This make me to think that I should combine all those "1 technique clip" into a large clip. This large clip will be easier to pass down to students as a "book".
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Re: Record what you can do

Postby MaartenSFS on Sun Apr 26, 2020 12:53 pm

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MaartenSFS wrote:For proving your martial skills these [url]demos[/url] are almost as bad as 空劲 videos. Show me wrestling with a fully resisting opponent. This is MUCH easier to do with wrestling than striking. With striking it's a lot less safer. The easiest thing is to make anyone look good with these silly demos.

I am so tired of these demos. They prove nothing. If the teacher is showing you how to do techniques, that's fine. It may even seem like he does them very well. It still doesn't prove that he can use it in a fight. "Oh! I'm the master! I can beat up my compliant students!" If the teacher doesn't claim that they show their fighting prowess, it doesn't really bother me, but the way that you have posted it here to "record what you can do" does. That's bullshit.

When 陈自强 took wrestling challenges from seemingly anyone at his seminars, that impressed me. Even that could have been a bit staged, but it still showcased his skills. Despite all the staged "fights", secrecy and politics coming out of 陈家沟 I still respect that a lot more than this. Wrestling is a sport, so there are plenty of videos showing masters winning competitions or wrestling against fully resisting opponents. Show us those, John. I know that you can do better than this.


Bizarely aggressive rant about somebody posting a useful set of applications.

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Re: Record what you can do

Postby MaartenSFS on Sun Apr 26, 2020 1:00 pm

johnwang wrote:Record what you know when you are still young.

For each and every technique that I have taught to my students, I'll record a video for them.

The SC 1st degree BB test requirement is 4 sides and 2 doors. There are 30 principles involved. Some principle include more than 30 techniques.

It's very easy to come up a 200 technique clip without even include combo. This make me to think that I should combine all those "1 technique clip" into a large clip. This large clip will be easier to pass down to students as a "book".

I see what you mean. I misunderstood your meaning in the opening thread and apologise for that. Preserving all of the various techniques isn't a bad idea. I think that preserving the training methods and drills to make them work and all of the little details and nuances of how to transition between them is even more important.
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Re: Record what you can do

Postby johnwang on Sun Apr 26, 2020 2:15 pm

MaartenSFS wrote: Preserving all of the various techniques isn't a bad idea.

In another 10 years, I may not be able to do what I can do today.

I'm sick and tired of this kind of attitude, "I have spent so much money and time to learn CMA, why should I release it to the public?" If all CMA guys on earth can record their knowledge on video and pass down to the next generation, CMA will never die.

If you Google "Shuai Jiao training", you will find one of my clips online. With this clip, at least people will know what a "single head" suppose to look like.

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Re: Record what you can do

Postby MaartenSFS on Sun Apr 26, 2020 2:36 pm

johnwang wrote:
MaartenSFS wrote: Preserving all of the various techniques isn't a bad idea.

In another 10 years, I may not be able to do what I can do today.

I'm sick and tired of this kind of attitude, "I have spent so much money and time to learn CMA, why should I release it to the public?" If all CMA guys on earth can record their knowledge on video and pass down to the next generation, CMA will never die.

If you Google "Shuai Jiao training", you will find one of my clips online. With this clip, at least people will know what a "single head" suppose to look like.


No, you're right. It's one of the main things that hold back CMA, the other being face. That kind of training is great and worth gold. I think that there is something wrong with your breathing, though.. :P
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Re: Record what you can do

Postby dspyrido on Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:22 pm

I am more interested in the BB SC test & curriculum. All SC I've done is ad-hoc like freestyle wrestling. Any more info about the ranking & testing?

As for video - it helps on the personal journey & reminder of clever moves. Especially ones that are made up.

Not sure as much for others. Definitely good if they are following a curriculum. Perhaps something more specialized like 35 sweeps, 72 kicks, 50 bridging variations etc as a reference?

I also like the no promo & no talking approach.
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Re: Record what you can do

Postby johnwang on Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:48 pm

dspyrido wrote:I am more interested in the BB SC test & curriculum.

The 1st degree BB test require 4 sides and 2 doors such as:

1st Side:

踢(Ti) - Sweep,
撮(Cuo) - Scooping kick,
粘(Zhan) - Sticking kick,
撞(Zhuang) - Trunk hitting,
靠(Kao) - Advance squeeze,

2nd Side:

彈(Tan) - Spring,
挑(Tiao) - Hooking kick,
纏(Chan) - Foot entangling,
合(He) - Inner hook,
掏(Tao) - Inner knee seizing,

3rd Side:

穿(Chuan) - Fireman’s carry,
撿(Jian) - Foot picking,
沖(Chong) - Inner kick,
掛(Gua) - Inner heel sweep,
刀(Dao) - Inner sickle,

4th Side:

别 (Bie) - Break,
撩(Liao) - Back kick,
扣(Kou) - Knee seizing,
切(Qie) - Front cut,
削(Xiao) - Sickle hooking,

Front Door:

擰(Ning) - Wheeling,
撳(Qin) - Pressing,
摟(Lou) - Spine lock,
搵(Wen) – Lifting,
揣(Chuai) – Overhead,

Back Door:

勾(Gou) - Back sickle,
抱(Bao) - Back raising,
轟(Hong) - Shoving,
裏(Li) - Back inner hook,
擓(Kuai) - Leg bending lift,

For example,

踢(Ti) - Sweep:

- Shoulder pulling sweep (U)
- Neck wiping sweep (right leg) (U)
- Neck wiping sweep (left leg) (U)
- Elbow locking sweep (U)
- Palm lift upper arm sweep (U)
- Sleeve push/pull sweep (U)
- Knee seize, sweep (U)
- ...

Shoulder pulling sweep:

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Re: Record what you can do

Postby johnwang on Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:15 pm

dspyrido wrote:I also like the no promo & no talking approach.

One of my students wants to take his 4th degree BB test by turning in a paper.

I told him that

- don't write what he can say, but
- show what he can do.
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Re: Record what you can do

Postby shawnsegler on Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:12 am

This challenge for myself is not to show the whole world that I'm number one.


Cough...cough...BULLSHIT...cough...

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Re: Record what you can do

Postby dspyrido on Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:40 pm

johnwang wrote:
dspyrido wrote:I also like the no promo & no talking approach.

One of my students wants to take his 4th degree BB test by turning in a paper.

I told him that

- don't write what he can say, but
- show what he can do.


Do you have grades before BB?

In the BB test do they have to wrestle against a bunch of people? Publicly compete?

Most Dan/degree tests after BB are usually ceremony, doing time, contribution to school/art. Some made it weapons or so called advanced moves but i felt they were just teasing it out for $$$.
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Re: Record what you can do

Postby dspyrido on Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:51 pm

johnwang wrote:
dspyrido wrote:I am more interested in the BB SC test & curriculum.

The 1st degree BB test require 4 sides and 2 doors such as:

1st Side:

踢(Ti) - Sweep,
撮(Cuo) - Scooping kick,
粘(Zhan) - Sticking kick,
撞(Zhuang) - Trunk hitting,
靠(Kao) - Advance squeeze,

2nd Side:

彈(Tan) - Spring,
挑(Tiao) - Hooking kick,
纏(Chan) - Foot entangling,
合(He) - Inner hook,
掏(Tao) - Inner knee seizing,

3rd Side:

穿(Chuan) - Fireman’s carry,
撿(Jian) - Foot picking,
沖(Chong) - Inner kick,
掛(Gua) - Inner heel sweep,
刀(Dao) - Inner sickle,

4th Side:

别 (Bie) - Break,
撩(Liao) - Back kick,
扣(Kou) - Knee seizing,
切(Qie) - Front cut,
削(Xiao) - Sickle hooking,

Front Door:

擰(Ning) - Wheeling,
撳(Qin) - Pressing,
摟(Lou) - Spine lock,
搵(Wen) – Lifting,
揣(Chuai) – Overhead,

Back Door:

勾(Gou) - Back sickle,
抱(Bao) - Back raising,
轟(Hong) - Shoving,
裏(Li) - Back inner hook,
擓(Kuai) - Leg bending lift,

For example,

踢(Ti) - Sweep:

- Shoulder pulling sweep (U)
- Neck wiping sweep (right leg) (U)
- Neck wiping sweep (left leg) (U)
- Elbow locking sweep (U)
- Palm lift upper arm sweep (U)
- Sleeve push/pull sweep (U)
- Knee seize, sweep (U)
- ...

Shoulder pulling sweep:

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Awesome! Different but the same.

Hip throw? Shoulder throw? Head throw? I can't tell from your names.

Anyone put all this online showing each technique? If not .... That's the perfect exercise to "record what you do". Break down each one, provide some notes, show it being used in any tournament etc

For advanced show variations, setups & counters.

Also how to train solo for movement and conditioning of each move. I especially like how SC had some great old school Kung Fu training tools & methods that are still kind of unique to the western world.
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Re: Record what you can do

Postby johnwang on Mon Apr 27, 2020 4:32 pm

dspyrido wrote:Do you have grades before BB?

In the BB test do they have to wrestle against a bunch of people? Publicly compete?

- The 2nd degree BB test is all about tournament record.
- The 3rd degree BB test defense, counter, and combo.

Before the BB test, there is only one blue belt test with requirement such as 30 butterfly hand principles:

撕(Si) - Tearing
崩(Beng) - Cracking
捅(Tong) - Striking push
褪(tun) - Hand pushing
肘(Zhou) - Elbow pressing

蓋(Gai) - Covering hands
攞(Lou)- Pulling hands
搖(Yao) - Body-shaking hands
捯(Dao) - Reverse arm-holding
抖(Dou) – Shaking

分(Fen) - Separate hands
掖(Ye) - Hand tucking
引(Yin) - Arm guiding
捧(Peng) - Arm raising
架(Jia) - Elbow Locking

圈(Quan) – Under hook
抄(Chao) - Over hook
抹(Mo) – Wiping
偏(Pian) – Head circling
夾(Jia) – Clamping head

摘(Zai) – Helmet removing
摀(Wu) – Face covering
速(Su) – Forehead push
墬(Zhui) - Sticking drop
撈 (Lao) – Leg seize

環(Huan) – Neck surrounding
托(Tuo) – Chin pushing
封(Feng) – Throat/waist blocking
撒(Sa) – Casting
飄(Piao) - Floating hand

Example of 撕(Si) - Tearing:

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Re: Record what you can do

Postby MaartenSFS on Tue Apr 28, 2020 7:40 am

It's great that you have a well-structured and practical curriculum with a clear training progression and it looks like your students earn their belts.

Did you organise the curriculum yourself or is that how it was taught to you?
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Re: Record what you can do

Postby johnwang on Tue Apr 28, 2020 11:30 am

MaartenSFS wrote:Did you organise the curriculum yourself or is that how it was taught to you?

I was taught in a random order. My senior SC brother David C. K. Lin developed this list. I like it very much.

- David used "4 sides 2 doors" to category the SC principle.
- I use "entering strategy" to category the SC principle.
- Judo uses leg skill, body skill, ... to category the Judo principle.

I first use "4 sides 2 doors" to teach the solo technique. I then use "entering strategy" to group those techniques.
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Re: Record what you can do

Postby MaartenSFS on Fri May 01, 2020 8:09 am

I agree. A structured training progression is so important, both for learning how to use and understanding what is being taught. It's also a lot of work to create a "perfect" curriculum. I "graduated" from my Master two years ago and only "finished" my swordsmanship curriculum yesterday. It took two years and countless hours of work, but was well worth it for my own training and teaching others.
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