salcanzonieri wrote:Well after everything is said and done,
All the names of the movements are found there as well All the names are Buddhist concepts,
-
salcanzonieri wrote:
- I can show you how Shaolin Jingang Quan was used to incorporate Fajin and Fa Li into the Taiji form.
GrahamB wrote:I think you are posting on the wrong thread... this one is all about how Tai Chi was completely invented by Confucians in the Royal Court, not Taoists. Get your own damn Taoist thread.
salcanzonieri wrote:Nice, but you are really changing the subject. I know that Zen Buddhism has roots in Taoism.
That's fine for meditation and mindfulness and enlightment.
BIG SO WHAT
I am stating the the actual movements found posture by posture in TJQ. are all found within Shaolin Qigong and Routines.
Bob wrote: Wu Bin proceeded to tell us that only 2 original Shaolin forms survived - all other forms were modern adaptations & interpretations.
But it still seem a no “big so what” but rather a big issuefor you, that there should not be traced to any Taoism;Taoist theories to Taijiquan?salcanzonieri wrote:Nice, but you are really changing the subject. I know that Zen Buddhism has roots in Taoism.
That's fine for meditation and mindfulness and enlightment.
BIG SO WHAT
I am stating the the actual movements found posture by posture in TJQ. are all found within Shaolin Qigong and Routines.
That's my point. A point that can be proven not only by me, who practiced both Shaolin and TJQ since the early 1980s, but also many other researchers in China and outside of China.
It is a very important fact that each and every posture, and strings of postural movements can be found.
TJQ is pieced together, it's a patchwork of all different Shaolin material, which was always internal.
The whole internal vs external thing was all a hoax and always was.
The only external martial arts is modern day Competition Wusu, and now we can add MMA to that, perhaps.
Regardless, none of that is important. What is important, very important, is that every single piece of TJQ can be pointed out in the different related Shaolin Qigongs and routines that are part of the Ming dynasty era Shaolin Hong Quan systm (which consisted of Chan Yuan Gong, Louhan 13 Postures Gong, Lao Xiao Da Hong Quan, Rou Quan, Jingang Quan, Tai Zhu Chang Quan, Ape Monkey Quan, Xiao Pao Chui, etc.,)
So don't ignore this statement, which is a fact, and change the subject into blah blah blah.
Furthermore, I don't think that Pao Quan from Chen Wang Ting's time survived. The current Chen Pau Quan sets contains 2 vaguely general movements from Shaolin Xiao Pao Quan, which are also found anyway in all the other Shaolin forms I just mentioned. Right now no one knows where the movements in Chen Pao Quan originated from.
But that is changing the subject as well.
According to Wang Xsiangzhai after his visit to the Shaolin temple only two boxing techniques where poorly known about at the templeBob wrote:FWIW - in 1999, in the lobby of a hotel in Shanghai, after demonstrating some of our art (bajiquan Chen & Yang's taji) for Wu Bin (Jet Li's teacher), we all sat down for a beer or two. Wu Bin proceeded to tell us that only 2 original Shaolin forms survived - all other forms were modern adaptations & interpretations.
In 2000 we visited the "Shaolin Temple" - the demonstrations were played to the beat of modern Rock music - it was contemporary wushu at its finest!
GrahamB wrote:Actually, the Smith Hypothesis (that Wu Yuxiang got Yang Lu Chan to cobble Taijiquan together out of whatever Northern martial arts he already knew, then added a backstory of Chen village and Chan San Feng, plus yin yang philosophy to make it feel old, and turn it into a brand) does explain why every posture in Taijiquan is found in other arts...
GrahamB wrote:YLC died 15 years before CF was even born.
Trick wrote:salcanzonieri wrote:Well after everything is said and done,
All the names of the movements are found there as well All the names are Buddhist concepts,
-
Maybe Shaolin drew inspiration from Daoist sources ? Yes it’s far out and far back, but why not ?!.......ist it believed that Buddhism Daoism and Confusianism concepts mixed and blended over time in China ?
Whats the Buddhist concepts found in the postures names of YTQ ?
Bob wrote:FWIW - in 1999, in the lobby of a hotel in Shanghai, after demonstrating some of our art (bajiquan Chen & Yang's taji) for Wu Bin (Jet Li's teacher), we all sat down for a beer or two. Wu Bin proceeded to tell us that only 2 original Shaolin forms survived - all other forms were modern adaptations & interpretations.
In 2000 we visited the "Shaolin Temple" - the demonstrations were played to the beat of modern Rock music - it was contemporary wushu at its finest!
Trick wrote:salcanzonieri wrote:
- I can show you how Shaolin Jingang Quan was used to incorporate Fajin and Fa Li into the Taiji form.
So if Taijiquan is actually(as I read from your “I can show you” list) Shaolinquan, then why wasn’t Fali methods originally in TJQ ?
Return to Xingyiquan - Baguazhang - Taijiquan
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 6 guests