GrahamB wrote:I think we're going to get on to Wu Yuxiang in more detail in the next episode. Not sure where he said Chen Chanxing wouldn't be interested in history? What time stamp is that?
GrahamB wrote:OK, so I think what he meant was that Wu Yuxiang had an interest in creating a backstory for Tai Chi Chuan, because nothing in Confucianism can be new, only old things are good, so he had a vested interest in creating a backstory for this remarkable 'new' martial art called Tai Chi Chuan that nobody had heard of before.
Chen Chanxing would have been happy to practice his Chen village martial arts, and would know where they came from.
GrahamB wrote:As Douglas Wiles notes in Lost Tai Chi Classics from the late Ching Dynasty, "Wu Wuxiang's role was absolutely pivotel, as putative discoverer of the salt shop manuscripts, patron of Yang Luchan, student of Chen Chingping, redactor of the classics, and creator of the Wu (Hao) style".
Wujianquan wasn't born until 1870, Yang ChengFu in 1883, so both are irrelevant to the story of the origins of Taijiquan in 1850.
Yes, Chen style is a village style. It is a martial art practiced in a village, so by definition, a village style! In 1850 I don't think there was anything that made it different to any other village style in China. Each village in China usually had it's own style, it's own unqiue take, even if the basic martial art was a product of the region - longfist, tongbei, baji, etc, and there were thousands of villages. Ergo, thousands of village styles. Defending from bandits/rebels/or simply whoever had decided was now in charge and that you were on the wrong side, was a real possibility.
GrahamB wrote:... when the story is YLC learned by watching CCX practicing.I'm not buying the story you and everybody else has been sold (by Wu Yuxiang), mainly because it makes zero sense.
Trick wrote:I’m with Bao here, it should probably be family style
GrahamB wrote:The family name and the village name are the same - Chen. "Chenjiagou". But if you want to get lost it the woods of semantics, then be my guest.
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Trick wrote:was the 'chen village' named so back in YLC's days ?(i ask because i dont know).....maybe villages was named after the most influential/prosperous/wealthy family in its area ? but surely not because the family knew an boxing excersisr ? .......however maybe all inhabitants of the 'chen village' held the name Chen, and all of them practiced boxing, and just one set of boxing around every corner of the village......a true village style?...........Ok i stop now so to not waste any investigating historians time
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