Re: Heretical history of Tai Chi
Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:41 pm
I first learned Shaolin way way long ago. And two qigong routines stood out "Chan Yuan Gong" and "Luohan 13 Postures Gong"
Mainly because you can do the forms as 1 - purely Qigong, 2 - as a Quan using all the moves for self defense 3- with a Staff instead of bare hands, 4 - with double weapons (sword, for example) instead of bare hands, and nothing needs to be altered in the movements.
Also, Chan Yuan Gong based on pronunciation can use characters for Silk Reeling (Coiling) Exercises.
Later, when I learned Chen TJQ and Yang TJQ, I said hey the silk reeling from Chen and the coiling exercises from Yang are the same as Chan Yuan gong and Luohan 13 Gong.
I even showed more than one TJQ teacher over the past decades the Shaolin gong moves and I said "What am I doing?" and they all said Chen Silk Reeling / Yang Coiling
SO what does that mean?
(don't go by what Youtube shows, those are public versions all external, real Shaolin version is not like the videos) I will have to make my own videos.
I think Chen people got it all from those 2 forms. They are too much alike to not have a connection. More than alike, they are exactly the same.
Mainly because you can do the forms as 1 - purely Qigong, 2 - as a Quan using all the moves for self defense 3- with a Staff instead of bare hands, 4 - with double weapons (sword, for example) instead of bare hands, and nothing needs to be altered in the movements.
Also, Chan Yuan Gong based on pronunciation can use characters for Silk Reeling (Coiling) Exercises.
Later, when I learned Chen TJQ and Yang TJQ, I said hey the silk reeling from Chen and the coiling exercises from Yang are the same as Chan Yuan gong and Luohan 13 Gong.
I even showed more than one TJQ teacher over the past decades the Shaolin gong moves and I said "What am I doing?" and they all said Chen Silk Reeling / Yang Coiling
SO what does that mean?
(don't go by what Youtube shows, those are public versions all external, real Shaolin version is not like the videos) I will have to make my own videos.
I think Chen people got it all from those 2 forms. They are too much alike to not have a connection. More than alike, they are exactly the same.