the rum soaked fist: internal martial arts forum

Peacedog wrote:The one I have the most experience with involves rebounding force.

Essentially, you absorb the incoming kinetic energy of your opponent onto the ligament/tendon (i.e. fasciae) network in the body. You are forming an arc between the contact point, say hands as an example, and the feet on the ground. If I am doing this statically with a student, they often describe the pressure they are putting on me as combing back at them from my feet. This goes into compression and it is released back into your opponent via a wave of kinetic energy that comes out the body. Using this method you can discharge from pretty much any point of contact (hands, feet, shoulders...).

The base technique can be learned in a weekend, but it takes a really long time to learn to do this at a speed where it is martially effective. FYI, I cannot do this upon demand at speed either. When I'm in practice, I can usually throw 90% of push hands people with very little effort although as a dabbler it may take me a few minutes to lock the other guy up first.

Mostly I've used it as a power training drill with students.

I have, very rarely, had things line up exactly right while sparring and sent people flying with seemingly no effort on my part. The sensation is akin to performing a perfect clean and jerk where the weights don't even seem to be there.

That said, the method seems to be very wearing on the disks in the spinal column and I don't recommend it to a lot of people as something to train more than once a week or so. And never if they are over 50 years of age.

Trick wrote:Ah, ou mean, to know one self is to know your opponent...... ??………Or do you meanwhen one borrowing the opponents force one is also borrowing ones own force ? However in your GIF here you borrow your opponent foce, you seem just to be gently guidning him(his force) on a route he didnt intend...do you mean you express fajin in that GIF ?

MaartenSFS wrote:At least for my usage of Fajin, it doesn't matter which foot lands first, if any. I can do it forwards, backwards, with one foot in the air, with both feet on the ground, parallel, at an angle, any direction, even with a kick. The power is generated by rapidly sinking my centre-of-gravity and redirecting the power into their bodies, creating a wave. The footwork provides additional structure, but isn't the source of power. I also believe that not all types of Fajin are equal or that they are all practical for the same situations. The Chinese word is very general, hence the different terms: Zhenjin (震劲), Doujin (抖劲), Zhengjin (整劲), Shuaijin (甩劲), amongst others.

johnwang wrote:[

The stronger that your opponent's uses his resistance force, the less Fajin that you will need.

Trick wrote:

johnwang wrote:[

The stronger that your opponent's uses his resistance force, the less Fajin that you will need.

Ok, so if ones training focus solely on dealing with fully committed attacks one do not need spend time on Fajin solo exercises. Then perhaps exercises such as the Yang Taiji form is the best option ?

dspyrido wrote:As for fajin - it can mean many things...

dspyrido wrote:

Trick wrote:

johnwang wrote:[

The stronger that your opponent's uses his resistance force, the less Fajin that you will need.

Ok, so if ones training focus solely on dealing with fully committed attacks one do not need spend time on Fajin solo exercises. Then perhaps exercises such as the Yang Taiji form is the best option ?

Situational training. Practising with an attentive mind a slow forms without an opponent means getting good at handling no opponent and moving around unencumbered.

Training against a live opponent and learning to handle the pressure is a much better place to prepare for a live opponent.

As for fajin - it can mean many things but i just view it as "with power". Power that comes from directed repetition.

As my xylh sifu's used to say "1000/1000".

Kick a tree using a shin kick 1000 times with the left leg and 1000 right leg and you'll get fajin in kicking power.

MaartenSFS wrote:isn't transferring the power from the ground.