rojcewiczj wrote:I think the major point is to get to the level where you can intuitively apply two forces where most everyone will only use one. Meaning, you can apply the falling power of the body and then build on that power with the catching power of the limbs.
rojcewiczj wrote:This creates penetration in striking and effective take-downs in grappling. How? when the opponent is still under the effect of the initial body force, the limb extends that force through the target.
rojcewiczj wrote:In Taiji demonstrations we see this as seizing and then issuing. First the body force is applied, often through the opponents chosen contact point, this creates a momentarily stiffening and unbalancing effect on the opponent, then, while the opponent is still suffering the initial body force, the limbs can act to shape, extend, and build on the initial force. If you only have one force against the opponents one force, it will always tend towards being an even fight. If you can apply one force with your body and then build on that force with the limbs, you can use two against one. The two forces are one action, the second extending the first, you break their balance with the first force and throw them down or away with the second force, all in one action.
marvin8 wrote:One should follow six harmonies (e.g., head not pass foot), not over committing to avoid being countered.
rojcewiczj wrote:While there are many forces in the body at any given time during an explosive movement. Most everyone will tend towards combining them all into one force for a single effect. For instance, pushing off your back foot and turning the waist and throwing the fist together in order to create a single powerful punch. There are many many possible degrees of separation between one force and another. To thread the body force (gravity, structure, ground-path, combined for the sake of clarity) through to the limb force or technique in such away that the first force is fully realized and the second acts as an ideal extension of the first is very difficult. To me this is why the sort of power clarity we see in high-level practitioners is relatively rare. My point to be clear, is that using two forces that create two different effects (first seizing and second throwing-down or penetrating) in such tight sequencing as to become one action, is what I consider attainment in martial art technique.
rojcewiczj wrote:to respond to John Wang, aside from the technical details you describe. If we look at the take down through the lens of my described model, we can see that the body is used first to unbalance the opponent before the specific throwing technique is applied. The threading of these forces is such that they become one action, but in fact, the turning and throwing would not have been possible before the shoulder lift was applied.
rojcewiczj wrote:when we look at quality taiji demos we can see the initial seizing caused by body force which allows all manner of techniques to applied seemingly effortlessly.
rojcewiczj wrote:I enjoy doing Judo style grappling on occasion for experience. When you grab the opponents jacket and apply a body force through stepping/shifting and you feel the balance of the opponent become siezed, then you can attack with second extending force or technique. If your step/shift has no effect then the second force will almost certainly fail.
johnwang wrote:marvin8 wrote:One should follow six harmonies (e.g., head not pass foot), not over committing to avoid being countered.
You need to move your head to pass your foot to do many throws. Without "over committing", there won't be any sacrifice throw.
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